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Old 12-19-2010, 12:46 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Please explain how self-employed individuals would produce automobiles, computer chips, digital cameras, and airliners.

The world was a hodge-podge of individual craftsmen a few centries ago. It was called the preindustrial world, where single men practiced a trade or tried to scratch a living off the farm.

Industrialization has made that economic model archaic, irrelevant, and unsupportable in today's world.

There were no Unions when the industrial revolution started and got rolling full bore. They came years afterward.
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Old 12-19-2010, 12:53 PM
 
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There were no Unions when the industrial revolution started and got rolling full bore. They came years afterward.
Are you suggesting that is positive or negative? I don't associate the working conditions during the industrial revolution with high quality of life.
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Old 12-19-2010, 01:55 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Are you suggesting that is positive or negative? I don't associate the working conditions during the industrial revolution with high quality of life.


One was surely able to set their own destiny, good or bad.
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Old 12-19-2010, 03:27 PM
 
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One was surely able to set their own destiny, good or bad.
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There were no Unions when the industrial revolution started and got rolling full bore. They came years afterward.
I so completely agree with these sentiments. The true downfall of this country began way back in the day when we began to burden our legal system with pesky nuisances like child labor laws and unions. Back in the good old days, any six year old was entirely free to pull himself up by his bootstraps, get a job in a factory, and become a productive member of society.
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Old 12-19-2010, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Interesting. I might be willing to consider it. I provide my own vehicle, equipment and tools and I am available to contract to not only the cellular carrier I work for but to any and all of them. My rate is $75 an hour and 50 cents a mile M-F between 0700 and 1700 and my rate is $100 an hour for any other times. I would be responsible for paying for my own insurance and expenses. I could consider it.
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Old 12-20-2010, 01:02 AM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Interesting. I might be willing to consider it. I provide my own vehicle, equipment and tools and I am available to contract to not only the cellular carrier I work for but to any and all of them. My rate is $75 an hour and 50 cents a mile M-F between 0700 and 1700 and my rate is $100 an hour for any other times. I would be responsible for paying for my own insurance and expenses. I could consider it.
No dice. No contract. Strictly day to day. Furthermore you don't tell them what your rate is they tell you! Given the available pool of labor these days that means $10/hr. Take it or leave it.

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Old 12-21-2010, 05:15 PM
 
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I so completely agree with these sentiments. The true downfall of this country began way back in the day when we began to burden our legal system with pesky nuisances like child labor laws and unions. Back in the good old days, any six year old was entirely free to pull himself up by his bootstraps, get a job in a factory, and become a productive member of society.
Absolutely. And while we're at it, we should allow anyone over the age of 12 to test out of a high school diploma. This is one of the original uses for the GED--to allow younger children to have their diploma equivalent in order to begin their careers on their own timetable.

Every week our local paper profiles a leader in business, industry, or public affairs. Almost without fail, each one began his or her first job around the age of 12 or 13.

In those days, many people were essentially self-employed. The government was much less involved in the relationship between the employer and the employee. Unions came about to provide individuals more weight when negotiating with larger employers. Before too long, government got involved and things got overcomplicated. It would be interesting to see what would happen if the government got out of the employer/employee relationship altogether.

I'd also like to go back to a relationship between an airline and the passenger without government interference. I would be willing to fly on a plane with only the airline's security and bypass the TSA altogether. Why should the government tell me or the airline that we have to follow their rules if we are willing to take the risk?

What is freedom, really, but the choice to take a risk?
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Old 12-21-2010, 10:08 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Absolutely. And while we're at it, we should allow anyone over the age of 12 to test out of a high school diploma. This is one of the original uses for the GED--to allow younger children to have their diploma equivalent in order to begin their careers on their own timetable.

Every week our local paper profiles a leader in business, industry, or public affairs. Almost without fail, each one began his or her first job around the age of 12 or 13.

In those days, many people were essentially self-employed. The government was much less involved in the relationship between the employer and the employee. Unions came about to provide individuals more weight when negotiating with larger employers. Before too long, government got involved and things got overcomplicated. It would be interesting to see what would happen if the government got out of the employer/employee relationship altogether.

I'd also like to go back to a relationship between an airline and the passenger without government interference. I would be willing to fly on a plane with only the airline's security and bypass the TSA altogether. Why should the government tell me or the airline that we have to follow their rules if we are willing to take the risk?

What is freedom, really, but the choice to take a risk?


My first job, age 6. I had 4 lawns to mow in the neighborhood.
12, started helping my sister husband lay carpet, did that every summer until I turned 16 and had bought my own car(68 Coronet R/T) and chased girls and flipped burgers all summer until I got out of high school, where I worked at the body shop, in the mornings before my school day(started at noon for me I had work program in the morning)

I got told I could not have my daughter on the jobsite to help me during the summer????? and I'm self employed and she is on my payroll and fully insured, during the summers.
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Old 12-21-2010, 10:21 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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If you truly think that there will be "one world order" any time in our lifetimes, you're seriously deluded. Christians can't even get along with each other, much less anyone else; Muslims can't get along with any other religion; Jews want to get rid of the Arabs; China isn't going to allow itself to be governed by anyone else, and that's not even touching the problem of countries like North Korea, Somalia, et cetera.

Yeah right. One world order, suuuuure.
Ah..but that is all part and parcel..keep the peons divided.

The banksters aren't divided like that. They've been able to take down the globe, one country at a time.
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