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Old 12-02-2010, 10:09 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Than, don't!!
I don't think I shall, thank you. BTW learn the difference between then and than as well as the proper use of commas.

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I got to thinking about all the snow I needed to shoveling rather, than be on C-D.
Actually, people who go out of there way, to point out people faults, are not worth my time any way. Now do YOU feel better.
Please try to take this as kindly as possible but when you write a long winded diatribe about "liberals", or any other subject, your creditability depends on being able to correctly use the English language. When you misspell common English words then it makes you look like a poorly educated rube and that just doesn't engender confidence in your abilities as an analyst. If you want people to take your ideas seriously then you need to learn to speak, write, and read English correctly. That's not picking a fault, that's stating a fact.

As a practical matter most browsers support automatic spell checkers though you still need to know the difference between synonyms like "right" or "rite" because the spell checker will suggest both possibilities to you. If you find yourself stumped then taking 2 minutes to google each will result in definitions for both which should enable you to figure out which synonym is the correct usage. I don't know how old you are but I suspect you're a teen so reading more books would help to familiarize yourself with the proper use of the English language or taking a remedial English course (if it hasn't already been cut from your local high school) would also help.
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Old 12-03-2010, 12:25 PM
 
Location: NE CT
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The following are excerpts from Dr. King's speeches/writings.

Where Do We Go From Here?

I want to say to you as I move to my conclusion, as we talk about "Where do we go from here?" that we must honestly face the fact that the movement must address itself to the question of restructuring the whole of American society. There are forty million poor people here, and one day we must ask the question, "Why are there forty million poor people in America?" And when you begin to ask that question, you are raising a question about the economic system, about a broader distribution of wealth. When you ask that question, you begin to question the capitalistic economy. And I'm simply saying that more and more, we've got to begin to ask questions about the whole society. We are called upon to help the discouraged beggars in life's marketplace. But one day we must come to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring. It means that questions must be raised. And you see, my friends, when you deal with this you begin to ask the question, "Who owns the oil?" You begin to ask the question, "Who owns the iron ore?" You begin to ask the question, "Why is it that people have to pay water bills in a world that's two-thirds water?" These are words that must be said.

Beyond Vietnam-- A Time to Break the Silence

A true revolution of values will soon cause us to question the fairness and justice of many of our past and present policies. On the one hand we are called to play the good Samaritan on life's roadside; but that will be only an initial act. One day we must come to see that the whole Jericho road must be transformed so that men and women will not be constantly beaten and robbed as they make their journey on life's highway. True compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar; it is not haphazard and superficial. It comes to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring. A true revolution of values will soon look uneasily on the glaring contrast of poverty and wealth. With righteous indignation, it will look across the seas and see individual capitalists of the West investing huge sums of money in Asia, Africa and South America, only to take the profits out with no concern for the social betterment of the countries, and say: "This is not just." It will look at our alliance with the landed gentry of Latin America and say: "This is not just." The Western arrogance of feeling that it has everything to teach others and nothing to learn from them is not just. A true revolution of values will lay hands on the world order and say of war: "This way of settling differences is not just." This business of burning human beings with napalm, of filling our nation's homes with orphans and widows, of injecting poisonous drugs of hate into veins of people normally humane, of sending men home from dark and bloody battlefields physically handicapped and psychologically deranged, cannot be reconciled with wisdom, justice and love. A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death.
First, I asked for proof from his neice, not from MLK himself, but since you went to the trouble....

You are taking the buzz phrase "distribution of wealth" and attributing it to Communism? Absolutely ridiculous. The distribution of wealth knows no ideology, so on that you fail.

The Jerico road allusion is one that individualism will solve, not Communism or collectivism. So no pass on Communism there. He may indict the Western Capitalist but he puts the emphasis on the individual to help themselves first. He never once uses the ideology of Communism nor does he even use the word. A system that helps its fellow man can be a Libertarian one, a Socialist one, or even a Communist one. He makes no distinction as to the "system" he is referring to in your citation.

The military budget we Libertarians believe is overbloated and since we believe that we should bring home all US troops from abroad and hand control over to the UN. I don't see how that relates to Communism either. I have never heard GB equate Communism with the military but if you can show me, by all mean do it, because so far you have proved nothing germaine to the OP.

You may have cited MLK ideology here, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with Communism. MLK was an individualist and preached freedom through individualism and participation of the individual to resist the state. You see this in your own citation of his speeches. MLK was not a collectivist nor was he a Communist. Indeed J Edgar Hoover tried like hell to paint him as a "Commie", he never succeeded in doing so.

The best ecomomic system that distributes the wealth is Capitalism and MLK knew it. Kennedy was a Capitalist and even cut taxes to expand the economy. Imagine that? I think you are attributing the distribution of wealth to the recent buzz of "redistribution of wealth" and these are two entirely different scenarios.

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Old 12-03-2010, 12:31 PM
 
Location: NE CT
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If you listen to Beck with an open mind you will realize that what I said is absolutely true....with
a brainwashed mind not so much.

Why don't you cite examples from his transcripts that prove him to be an idiot. Anything other than his actual radio or TV transcripts are not primary sources and don't qualify as evidence here. Good luck.
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Old 12-03-2010, 12:56 PM
 
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Why don't you cite examples from his transcripts that prove him to be an idiot. Anything other than his actual radio or TV transcripts are not primary sources and don't qualify as evidence here. Good luck.
Take your pick


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3J_QLtYqlk



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX_rk...eature=related



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JngI1_8beoA
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Old 12-03-2010, 01:01 PM
 
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I don't take Beck serious, he is a jester, more Conan Obrian than anything.

You want redistribution of wealth? Look at how the govt and FED took our taxpayer money to bail out banks and wall st. Then they pay themselves bonuses with it. Insulting.

Privatize profits, socialize losses.
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Old 12-03-2010, 01:02 PM
 
Location: NE CT
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Actually, this is none of your business!! Yeah, I do own a business, try paying all the employee taxes and the paper work is beyond normal. If your asking, do I make 300,000.00, no, I don't. I would prefer flat taxes.

I pay my share and I don't want to be taxed anymore. This is the beginning if they take it from the rich, that's okay with you, but when they decide to dig into your pocket, is this when you will speak up???

We small business owners have had enough of the US government doing everything it c an do to interfere between the producer and the consumer. There are reasonable cases of regulatory laws, but we a overwhelmed with all of the regulations, insurance, liability suits, and other bulwarks to successful business. Government needs to get out of the way in the voluntary trade between two people and we can get this economy back on track. As it stands now, there are more regulations hindering the establishment of small business that in all of US history. My God, there kids selling cookies to funds some school activities and the government shiut them down because they didn't have a license!

Part of the definition of Facism:

Fascism: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics and Liberty


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Under fascism, the state, through official cartels, controlled all aspects of manufacturing, commerce, finance, and agriculture. Planning boards set product lines, production levels, prices, wages, working conditions, and the size of firms. Licensing was ubiquitous; no economic activity could be undertaken without government permission.
Sound familiar? The US is in deep trouble and those who are ignoring it, flowing with the status quo are going to wake up when its to late and our freedom and liberty will be so radically changed it will likely be gone forever.

Most people who don't own a business have no clue what is really happening out here in the Capitalist USA. It is being attacked from all sides and I only hope our armour holds up.
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Old 12-03-2010, 01:09 PM
 
Location: NE CT
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I don't take Beck serious, he is a jester, more Conan Obrian than anything.

You want redistribution of wealth? Look at how the govt and FED took our taxpayer money to bail out banks and wall st. Then they pay themselves bonuses with it. Insulting.

Privatize profits, socialize losses.

Beck is indeed a professional comic like those other political comics. I don't see any difference between his comedy and the others on cable. It's just ideology.

However, he is bringing a message, as a messenger there for the taking, if you can understand it. He never asks anyone to believe him and always insists you look it up for yourself. Who else on TV / radio tells you this about history and politics? Don't believe him, either look it up for yourself, or change the channel..
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Old 12-03-2010, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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There's a big difference between "views" and paranoid delusions ala Beck. Get a clue.

Oh and FYI, I'm not a lib -just allergic to the emotionally unstable and their nonsensical ramblings.
Did you see Beck yesterday? Surely you would have recognized at least some truth in what he said. Maybe since you have taken the words of Media Matters and Huff Po about Beck you wouldn't have recognized anything he said.
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Old 12-03-2010, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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I'll bet America has more idiots in the media than any other nation.
And most of them are afraid of Beck winning too many people over to him. Have you watched Beck lately? Most of the things I am reading in this thread indicate that darned few here have seen him for some time.
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Old 12-03-2010, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Why must you keep using comedians as sources about Beck? Surely funny is not always right, but then . . . . . . .
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