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Old 11-10-2010, 01:32 PM
 
Location: In a Galaxy far, far away called Germany
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Jimmy Carter stood before the American people and said, "this is the reality of what we are facing and were going to have to make sacrifices". For this, people now call that famous speech the Malaise speech, as Americans will not tolerate any sacrifice or reduction of their lifestyle willingly.

Ask America to put a sweat on and turn the T-stat down and your Presidency will end in a fiery ruin. Americans want sunshine and rainbow blown up their backsides and nothing short of that is acceptable. This is the land where everyone BELIEVES that all can be winners.

Lake Woebegone, where the sun always shines and all the children are above average.
Yep. I do believe you have nailed America at-large.
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Old 11-10-2010, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, MD
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Jimmy Carter stood before the American people and said, "this is the reality of what we are facing and were going to have to make sacrifices". For this, people now call that famous speech the Malaise speech, as Americans will not tolerate any sacrifice or reduction of their lifestyle willingly.

Ask America to put a sweat on and turn the T-stat down and your Presidency will end in a fiery ruin. Americans want sunshine and rainbow blown up their backsides and nothing short of that is acceptable. This is the land where everyone BELIEVES that all can be winners.

Lake Woebegone, where the sun always shines and all the children are above average.
Great post!!!
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Old 11-10-2010, 06:40 PM
 
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Well it is a plan. What is the Republican plan?
Republicans are part of the committee
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Old 11-10-2010, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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WASHINGTON—The co-chairs of a deficit commission established by the White House would seek to limit federal spending on health care, gradually raise the retirement age and lower the corporate tax rate to 26%, according to a draft set of proposals released Wednesday.

The sweeping plan is likely to provoke a political firestorm. It touches many of the third rails of politics, including defense spending, Social Security and middle-class tax breaks long seen as inviolate.


Panel Chairmen Recommend Cutting Federal Spending by $200 Billion - WSJ.com
Half of which would come from defense

Go team!
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Old 11-10-2010, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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U.S. Debt Proposal Would Cut Social Security, Taxes, Medicare - Bloomberg

"A presidential commission’s leaders proposed a $3.8 trillion deficit-cutting plan that would cut Social Security and Medicare, reduce income-tax rates and eliminate tax breaks including the mortgage-interest deduction.

"[reduce] Social Security spending by raising the retirement age to 68 in about 2050 and 69 in about 2075. The plan also would slow the rate at which benefits grow. The savings would come between 2012 and 2020.

"...income-tax rates would be reduced to three levels: 8 percent, 14 percent and 23 percent." End tax breaks.

"The plan would cut the deficit to 2.2 percent of gross domestic product by 2015, from the current 9 percent, exceeding Obama’s goal. It would also reduce debt to 60 percent of GDP by 2024."
What about taxing the rich? I don't see anything about taxing the rich. What about the multi billion dollar farm subsidies? What income levels qualify for 8% and 14%? I am willing only to do my part when everybody else does their part. As for the home mortgage deduction, it was a nice thing when we first bought but even then I was opposed to it. Why should the government subsidize home purchases?
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Old 11-10-2010, 06:48 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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What about taxing the rich? I don't see anything about taxing the rich. What about the multi billion dollar farm subsidies? What income levels qualify for 8% and 14%? I am willing only to do my part when everybody else does their part. As for the home mortgage deduction, it was a nice thing when we first bought but even then I was opposed to it. Why should the government subsidize home purchases?
Seeing as mortgage interest would be cut, under this plan, that would hit people with property harder, would it not?

I agree though, they should repeal the Bush tax cuts.
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Old 11-10-2010, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Florida
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U.S. Debt Proposal Would Cut Social Security, Taxes, Medicare - Bloomberg

"A presidential commission’s leaders proposed a $3.8 trillion deficit-cutting plan that would cut Social Security and Medicare, reduce income-tax rates and eliminate tax breaks including the mortgage-interest deduction.

"[reduce] Social Security spending by raising the retirement age to 68 in about 2050 and 69 in about 2075. The plan also would slow the rate at which benefits grow. The savings would come between 2012 and 2020.

"...income-tax rates would be reduced to three levels: 8 percent, 14 percent and 23 percent." End tax breaks.

"The plan would cut the deficit to 2.2 percent of gross domestic product by 2015, from the current 9 percent, exceeding Obama’s goal. It would also reduce debt to 60 percent of GDP by 2024."
Sounds pretty darn good.
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Old 11-10-2010, 06:55 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Well it is a plan. What is the Republican plan?
A Republican panel said they would cut programs which have already expired and don't cost anything. LOL. But in the name of honesty, the panel we are talking about here is bi-partisan with both "R"s and "D"s in it.
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Old 11-10-2010, 06:56 PM
 
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http://www.fiscalcommission.gov/site...hair_Draft.pdf
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Old 11-10-2010, 06:57 PM
 
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Jimmy Carter stood before the American people and said, "this is the reality of what we are facing and were going to have to make sacrifices". For this, people now call that famous speech the Malaise speech, as Americans will not tolerate any sacrifice or reduction of their lifestyle willingly.

Ask America to put a sweat on and turn the T-stat down and your Presidency will end in a fiery ruin. Americans want sunshine and rainbow blown up their backsides and nothing short of that is acceptable. This is the land where everyone BELIEVES that all can be winners.

Lake Woebegone, where the sun always shines and all the children are above average.
Maybe this one will garner support from the right:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJAiO-BGTJM

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Beyond those monuments to heroism is the Potomac River, and on the far shore the sloping hills of Arlington National Cemetery, with its row upon row of simple white markers bearing crosses or Stars of David. They add up to only a tiny fraction of the price that has been paid for our freedom.

Each one of those markers is a monument to the kind of hero I spoke of earlier. Their lives ended in places called Belleau Wood, The Argonne, Omaha Beach, Salerno, and halfway around the world on Guadalcanal, Tarawa, Pork Chop Hill, the Chosin Reservoir, and in a hundred rice paddies and jungles of a place called Vietnam.

Under one such marker lies a young man, Martin Treptow, who left his job in a small town barbershop in 1917 to go to France with the famed Rainbow Division. There, on the western front, he was killed trying to carry a message between battalions under heavy artillery fire.

We're told that on his body was found a diary. On the flyleaf under the heading, "My Pledge," he had written these words: "America must win this war. Therefore I will work, I will save, I will sacrifice, I will endure, I will fight cheerfully and do my utmost, as if the issue of the whole struggle depended on me alone."

The crisis we are facing today does not require of us the kind of sacrifice that Martin Treptow and so many thousands of others were called upon to make. It does require, however, our best effort and our willingness to believe in ourselves and to believe in our capacity to perform great deeds, to believe that together with God's help we can and will resolve the problems which now confront us.

And after all, why shouldn't we believe that? We are Americans.

God bless you, and thank you.
http://millercenter.org/scripps/arch...es/detail/3407
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