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Old 10-26-2010, 08:18 PM
 
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I found this to be a thoughtful essay about US politics from the UK Independent-

Johann Hari: The real reason Obama has let us all down - Johann Hari, Commentators - The Independent
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Old 10-26-2010, 08:30 PM
 
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I found this to be a thoughtful essay about US politics from the UK Independent-

Johann Hari: The real reason Obama has let us all down - Johann Hari, Commentators - The Independent
I think the author is under the mistaken belief that Obama was elected King/Benevolent Dictator. He was elected POTUS and he has to work with the congress and others to accomplich policy objectives.

Maybe in the UK where the PM has a clear legislative majority and more rigid party discipline you can expect the laws passed to match all the campaign promises made - but that ain't here.
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Old 10-26-2010, 08:30 PM
 
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Much as I despised Bush while he was in office, in the two years since Obama took the helm, I have come to the conclusion that Bush could have been much better if he too, as this article suggests, made the right decision to fight the corporate corruption that is at the heart of our 'democracy'. I also agree that Obama is hardly any different from Bush; in fact, I've referred to him as Bush 2.5.

Our leaders are really just figureheads planted firmly into the soil by gardeners of evil intent with watering cans full of free-flowing cash. We won't ever get a leader who fights the corruption until the system itself has collapsed. My pessimism has me believing that the corporate overlords already know this system will collapse, and that they are spending their time conjuring up its hideous replacement, honing the finer details of our future prison country.
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Old 10-26-2010, 08:51 PM
 
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Much as I despised Bush while he was in office, in the two years since Obama took the helm, I have come to the conclusion that Bush could have been much better if he too, as this article suggests, made the right decision to fight the corporate corruption that is at the heart of our 'democracy'. I also agree that Obama is hardly any different from Bush; in fact, I've referred to him as Bush 2.5.
I've always likened Obama to "Bush light", same great taste, just less filling.

Its funny but we had a thread over in elections prior to the election where amid wild charges of the rouge pinko liberal commie stuff that usually gets tossed around, I have always said that the new boss will be a lot like the old boss, when it comes to any substantive matters. Namely as pointed out, resisting the sirens cash on Wall Street.

I'm sure folks have heard the term, "Follow the money" from the movie All the President Men, the story of Woodward and Bernstein's revealing of Watergate. Well when we follow the money today, we find it comes from the same places and ends up in the same pockets, while folks bicker over left and right, their wallets are getting lifted.
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Old 10-26-2010, 09:04 PM
 
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The UK Independent and the UK Guardian (both socialist leaning press) have given Obama a lot of heat that he has not turned the USA into a "Socialist" country in two years. They both ignore (as does much of the USA press) that it's not just "anti war", "anti business", anti capitalism" that drives Obama.

Obama is ALL about Obama - he wants to be "Historic", he wants to be another Lincoln, FDR or JFK - he would even settle to be another LBJ (no Vietnam please) ..... I think he is an Ideologue, but it's HIS history he is more concerned with. There is no "deal" he would not make to insure that. That "no deal" part should concern us all. This isn't even about Party anymore - it's about "the I won guy" who many consider "The One".

That's not the bill of goods the American people were sold - folks actually bought into the "Hope" and the "Change" rhetoric. They are now determined to get it on their own with a full broom - Throw the bums out and try with a new set of bums. IF those bums don't do what was promised - they will soon be gone also.

The people are finally fed up with this stuff. Note that the "new bums" are often business people who have never been involved in politics. Who knows if they will do any better - they can hardly do much worse.

The message is going to be ... Can you hear us Now?
One thing is pretty clear - the people don't like the "special deals", they don't care about a "historic legacy" at their expense and they don't care what the socialists from around the world think we should be doing.

I think a lot of them are going to be pretty surprised on November 3. People are fed up with this garbage - they asked for "change" and now they will demand it.

The real battle begins after the elections - the lawyers will come flocking in for the recounts they way they did with Franken - We are in for a bumpy ride, but the American people are up to the task.
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Old 10-26-2010, 09:13 PM
 
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There is not one US citizen that has ever been responsible for the election of any US president.
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Old 10-26-2010, 09:18 PM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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I found this to be a thoughtful essay about US politics from the UK Independent-

Johann Hari: The real reason Obama has let us all down - Johann Hari, Commentators - The Independent
Could not have said it better myself. So true. When Obama's party gets creamed on Tuesday, we are going to hear all this conservative BS about how he lost because he is "too liberal" when the facts are just the opposite. He is certainly not as bad as Bush but he is a big disappointment to me. With his election popularity and the vast numbers of Democrats that came in with him, he had to ability to make real meaningful change like he said he would do. He could have "changed the trajectory" of the country. But he squandered all the good will and political power he had. That is why his party is about to get creamed.
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Old 10-26-2010, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Flippin AR
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The cite had the best description of modern Presidential American politics ever: "If you want to run for national office in the US, you have to raise huge sums of money from corporations and very rich people to pay for the adverts and the mailings that get you on the ballot and into office. These corporations will only give you money if you persuade them that you will serve their interests once you are in power."
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Old 10-26-2010, 09:36 PM
 
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As ahs been shown for decades riaisng money comes form many source with agendas from extreme ly liberal to extremely capitalist. Lookig at Obam we see both as with most pre3sdientail candidates. Obama's problem really is that since FDR the democratic party has so mnay varied special interest who all want their own agenda at the top;from socialist to environmaltist.The party itself in voters runs form left of center to extreme left. None of the specail,interest controls anyhting like a majority of even the aprty except thru rules. In oreder to get elcted tho both parties need to carry the majority of the independents who run more to the right of center.They also face the problem i that normally mostly those in the cneter and right of center vote regularly.The pedulum is always swinging depending on sucdcess as the voters see it in independents and wsing voters with in either party. Obama saw the pendulum swing i his favor but now its swing fast back agianst him because of his faluires as voters see it. That is poliotcs and why it dangerous to beleive that you can only governa with only your parties support and its agenda.Clniton cleaerly saw this and has sated that no dmeocrat can govern form the left of the party but must move to the center. The same is true of republican presdients.That is why Goldwater republicans did not like reagan alos he moved to the center more than they liked. But this is a stranmge time with the defcits growing without much progress on it and people are really scared what it means for the future.We may nopw see a conunter to Obamas left polices coming in a more right than Reagan presidency.Its liie for every motion there is a counter motion. When things don't have results with a extreme the pendulum swings harder in the other direction.
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Old 10-27-2010, 04:43 AM
 
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I found this to be a thoughtful essay about US politics from the UK Independent-

Johann Hari: The real reason Obama has let us all down - Johann Hari, Commentators - The Independent
It's disingenuous. This is a pretty good example:
The healthcare “reform” trumpeted as Obama’s greatest achievement illustrates how this works. The biggest problem with US healthcare is that squatting between a doctor and his patient are the bloated insurance companies whose job is to turn down any claim from a sick person they possibly can, in order to maximize their profits. Some 45,000 Americans die every year as a result. Obama had within his grasp a way of taming these corporations and saving the lives of all these people. It was called the public option: a government-run healthcare insurance programme that would guarantee affordable care to all American citizens. It was supported by 61 percent of Americans. But it would cut into corporate profits – so Obama’s outgoing chief of staff, Rahm Emmanuel, said its defenders were “****ing retards,” and the administration killed it.
Well, except the reasons were just not that simple, and surely this author knows that. Same with the whole article point for point. He's blaming Obama for a systemic corruption, as if it didn't already exist. At least Obama knows, as this author doesn't seem to, that to get anything done in that culture you're going to have to play ball to a degree.

He is taking on the insurance companies on behalf of Americans. This was a promise and he got it done. The public option could still come later. But according to this guy, they just hadn't considered it would "cut into corporate profits, so they killed it." D'oh! But it's not that simple.

Look at his plans, before they got derailed by the financial crisis. He lists them at the July 2 2008 Colorado Springs speech (the one all of you stupid sheep were successfully led to attack for a stupid reason, to deflect your attention from the good things he wanted to do). This is not a corrupt guy.

The writer does grudgingly say some positive things. He lists a number of accomplishments and says, "These make a real difference: they’re reason enough to vote Democratic over Republican."

"His huge government bailout of the auto industry kept millions of people in work, was hugely popular – and is already making a profit for the government." "If you’re an American and you have time over the next week, phone bank or donate to Representative Alan Grayson, or Senator Russ Feingold, to name two of the best who do it the hard way, run their campaigns by collecting small donations, and actually defend the American people."

I'm disappointed by Obama too here and there, but he's only been in office two years during which he's only been left to put out the biggest national fire in eighty years. Meanwhile the Rs sit on the sidelines and do not help the country -- do not help you. Do what they can not to help you, in fact.
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