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By your definition, my husband and I should never have been able to marry.
Like those rules? Think they're fair? If not, then think through the logic of what you're saying.
WHAT The Heck! Where did you miss my definition of marriage?
Let me repeat what I said in my post; marriage is between a male and a female. So by your statement I can conclude that you and your husband don't meet this criteria! lol!
And you question MY logic!
Some people make HUGE leaps when they read posts and totally miss the point or read into a lot that is not there! Geesh
First off, I'm not just straight, I'm Damn straight. I have a difficult time comprehending how a man can look at another man and say "oh yea, that's sexy...". My opinion on homosexuals was: "do your dirty deeds behind closed doors, I don't care, but don't make me look at it or think about it or I'll puke up my whiskey.
So I was a little bit uppity when a openly gay man was moved next to me at work. But we talked, were open about the subject and I've learned a lot about the gay perspective from him.
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Well, the biggest issue that I see is the gay lobby is pushing something down my throat and that of most Americans. They don't want my opinion, they want to force me to view their relationship as equivalent to the heterosexual marriage.
This is the biggest issue.
Another issue is the term 'homophobe'. I object to this term. Homosexuals don't know what real persecution is. Being denied the right to marry is not the same as being imprisoned for the practice of homosexuality. And it definitely is not the same as being killed for it.
Various studies of homosexual relationships show a much different picture. For example, the Gay/Lesbian Consumer Online Census of nearly eight thousand homosexuals found that only fifteen percent described their "current relationship" lasting twelve years or longer.{17} A study of homosexual men in the Netherlands published in the journal AIDS found that the "duration of steady partnerships" was one and a half years.{18} In a study of male homosexuality in reported in Western Sexuality: Practice and Precept in Past and Present Times, Pollak found that "few homosexual relationships last longer than two years, with many men reporting hundreds of lifetime partners."{19}
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Another key difference is "monogamy versus promiscuity." Married heterosexual couples are more monogamous than the popular culture and media would have you believe. A national survey published in the Journal of Sex Research found the seventy-seven percent of married men and eighty-eight percent of married women had remained faithful to their marriage vows.{20} A national survey in The Social Organization of Sexuality: Sexual Practices in the United States came to essentially the same conclusions (seventy-five percent of husbands and eighty-five percent of wives).{21}
By contrast, homosexuals were much less monogamous and much more promiscuous. In the classic study by Bell and Weinberg, they found that forty-three percent of white male homosexuals had sex with five hundred or more partners, with twenty-eight percent having one thousand or more sex partners.{22} And a Dutch study of partnered homosexuals, published in the journal AIDS, found that men with a steady partner nevertheless had an average of eight sexual partners per year.{23}
So, in light of the above, I will continue to object to the homosexuals being able to legally marry.
I'm not calling for forced counseling for them, or imprisonment. No, let them live like they want to live. But don't be teaching my children that their relationships are the same or better than those of the heterosexual couples.
Well, the biggest issue that I see is the gay lobby is pushing something down my throat and that of most Americans. They don't want my opinion, they want to force me to view their relationship as equivalent to the heterosexual marriage.
This is the biggest issue.
Another issue is the term 'homophobe'. I object to this term. Homosexuals don't know what real persecution is. Being denied the right to marry is not the same as being imprisoned for the practice of homosexuality. And it definitely is not the same as being killed for it.
So, in light of the above, I will continue to object to the homosexuals being able to legally marry.
I'm not calling for forced counseling for them, or imprisonment. No, let them live like they want to live. But don't be teaching my children that their relationships are the same or better than those of the heterosexual couples.
Well, the biggest issue that I see is the gay lobby is pushing something down my throat and that of most Americans. They don't want my opinion, they want to force me to view their relationship as equivalent to the heterosexual marriage.
This is the biggest issue.
Another issue is the term 'homophobe'. I object to this term. Homosexuals don't know what real persecution is. Being denied the right to marry is not the same as being imprisoned for the practice of homosexuality. And it definitely is not the same as being killed for it.
So, in light of the above, I will continue to object to the homosexuals being able to legally marry.
I'm not calling for forced counseling for them, or imprisonment. No, let them live like they want to live. But don't be teaching my children that their relationships are the same or better than those of the heterosexual couples.
I agree, that the issues should not be forced down our throats, we should be allowed to have our opinions and it should be heard.
I do however think that Homosexuals should be allowed to marry. It's not my traditional view of marriage, but what in this Country is traditional anymore? Not much...
What pisses me off so damn much about the issue, is that were so forced to take it. If you speak up, your a racist, or bigot, or homophobe. These types want to push this down your throat and make you love it. I got fired from a job because I was a gay guy kept hitting opn me, I opened up with a lash of words... guess what? I WAS F"N FIRED FOR BEING INTOLLERANT!!! WOOOOAH! I was being dehumanized by a homo and I got canned for it. WTF? That's why I am pissed about.
Get married, whatever... fine, just get the F**** outta my face about it.
Gays should be allowed to marry and I'm conservative on every other issue and straight. If people say marriage is an ideal people should aspire to, and I also believe that to be true, then gay couples should be allowed to partake in it and people should want them to if they truly believe that marriage is a good thing. Also, married people live longer so it's not just a social issue. I don't see how someone else's marriage either makes your own marriage better or hurts it whether you are a man and a woman couple or a gay couple.
If a religion nixes it, then there are plenty of other religions that will perform the ceremony. I don't believe in forcing a religion to do what's against their teachings. I also don't believe in having the government overruling the vote of the people. I'm more for the hearts and minds winning over the public approach than cramming it down people's throats. Gay marriage shouldn't be a political issue. It's supposed to be about love, commitment, stability and long life. Who would be against that?
Well thought out and reasonable points all around.
If I were gay, I'd find a willing minister (of the church of whatever) and get married. I'd buy rings and throw a party. I'd fill out a new will, a medical directive and change my name. Voila. Married.
If you married is not LEGALLY recognized by the government you don't have the same inheritance rights, income deductions and exemptions, health insurance options and various other LEGAL rights and protections that being LEGALLY marriage affords individuals.
Well, the biggest issue that I see is the gay lobby is pushing something down my throat and that of most Americans. They don't want my opinion, they want to force me to view their relationship as equivalent to the heterosexual marriage.
No one can force you to change your opinions. You're free to have as many anti-gay thoughts as you want.
So, in light of the above, I will continue to object to the homosexuals being able to legally marry.
It won't be up to you in the long run. It will be decided by the courts.
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I'm not calling for forced counseling for them, or imprisonment. No, let them live like they want to live. But don't be teaching my children that their relationships are the same or better than those of the heterosexual couples.
Society is changing, and your homophobic views are being left behind.
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Get married, whatever... fine, just get the F**** outta my face about it.
It must be frustrating to be so anti-gay in a society that is clearly moving toward acceptance of homosexuality.
First off, I'm not just straight, I'm Damn straight. I have a difficult time comprehending how a man can look at another man and say "oh yea, that's sexy...". My opinion on homosexuals was: "do your dirty deeds behind closed doors, I don't care, but don't make me look at it or think about it or I'll puke up my whiskey.
So I was a little bit uppity when a openly gay man was moved next to me at work. But we talked, were open about the subject and I've learned a lot about the gay perspective from him.
Anyway, today he was upset because he suspected his boyfriend of cheating on him. It had never occurred to me, but my co-worker's relationship was not about dirty deeds in back rooms after all. He sought out and longed for companionship just like any straight couple does.
I pried a little more and my co-worker told me that infidelity among gay couples is a continual problem in the gay community. 2 and 2 came together... it was obviously that way because they had nothing to keep couples together. No children, no marriage, nothing.
It is clear to me now that allowing gays to get married is the right thing to do. They suffer and are held back because they cannot publicly make vows to each other that are psychologically necessary to create stable, trusting long-term relationships of the sort heterosexual couples enjoy and also allow civilization to function well at large.
So I'm officially about-facing. Let gays get married.. NOW!!!
The institution of marriage should be held sacred. Straight marriages support society by adding more people to it. Evolution supports straight marriage.
That's a pretty weak argument. If a man and woman have sex and a pregnancy results that ends in a childbirth results THAT adds to society. It's the biological of sex between a man and woman that may or may not add to the population NOT marriage.
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Chill.
