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Old 03-23-2017, 01:48 PM
 
Location: The canyon (with my pistols and knife)
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Let's see. 30-34 by city:

Atlanta - 9.4%
Orlando - 8.9%
Charlotte - 8.6%
Houston - 8.3%
Phoenix - 7.6%
Las Vegas - 7.2%

Mostly higher than Pittsburgh, but not universally so.
And when you consider that all those metropolitan areas have younger median ages than the Pittsburgh metropolitan area, it makes the city of Pittsburgh's percentage stand out even more. I'd wager that if you added up the 30-34 population in all of those metropolitan areas plus Pittsburgh, the city of Pittsburgh would have a larger share of its metropolitan count than any of those cities proper above, except maybe Atlanta.

On the other hand, this just goes to show you how old the balance of the metropolitan area outside of Allegheny County is.
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Old 03-23-2017, 02:36 PM
 
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The recovering economy may be a big factor here. Lot more jobs in other cities now. Where as before the recession didn't hit Pittsburgh as hard and people came here for work.
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Old 03-23-2017, 03:10 PM
 
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Back to the topic of the article, it is still not good news. Pittsburgh: "place that suffered the second worst decline in numbers after Chicago." 4th year of consecutive decline. Combine that with the additional poor unemployment numbers that we've been seeing and it remains bad news.
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Old 03-23-2017, 03:26 PM
 
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We're waiting on the full data, which will be out later today, but the Census put out a press release which includes numbers of Allegheny County.

2016 population: 1,225,365
Decline: -3,933 (-0.32%)

Natural Population Decline (births minus deaths): -802
Domestic migration: -5,821
International migration: 3,479

Not a good annual estimate, but some notes.

1. We're the only large urban county in the country with more births than deaths. You can see this when looking at the other shrinking areas, like Cook County, Wayne County, Baltimore, Cuyahoga County, Milwaukee County, St. Louis, etc. Basically everywhere else in the country, no matter how economically depressed, there are more births than deaths. If we can get a reasonable natural population growth rate again, our net decline will be cut considerably, and could even vanish.

2. It's not good to have domestic outmigration, but basically every established urban and suburban county in the Northeast and Midwest has this - from people moving elsewhere to retire if nothing else. Oue proportionate decline due to migration is much smaller than the other "bottom 10" listed. For example, we only had a net decline of about half a percent attributable to domestic migration last year, while Cook County (Chicago) had a net decline of close to 1.3%. So while people are leaving Allegheny County, they aren't leaving at an especially spectacular rate.

3. Our international migration numbers don't appear to be terrible, but they're nothing special - only a hair better than Cuyahaoga County and Milwaukee County. We're proportionately a bit worse than Baltimore or Saint Louis, but given those are standalone cities not consolidated into their counties, it's not really an apples to apples comparison.
I'll take it you mean more deaths than births. I'm not sure why you think that is a mitigating factor of some sort. It means there are a lot of old people there. From your link: "Eight of the 10 counties with the most natural decrease (more deaths than births) were in Florida."

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I looked at the outlying counties, and they aren't doing any better.

Butler County came very close to losing population, only gaining 406 people (0.22%). Washington County lost population (not surprising given the fracking bust) losing 287 people (-0.14%). Still, it was a smaller decline than Allegheny County percentage wise. Every other outlying county continued to hemorrhage population. Westmoreland declined at nearly twice the rate of Allegheny (-0.63%) and it just gets worse and worse after that. Though the biggest proportionate losers are in rural parts of the northern tier of the state, not in the Pittsburgh metro.
You left out Beaver! I know you guys don't like them in your stats, as depressed as they are, but they're still part of your MSA.
Falling population in Beaver, Lawrence, Allegheny counties follows state decline | Local News | timesonline.com
"Population in several western Pennsylvania counties -- including Beaver -- continued to decline in 2016, a trend that some say is a troubling reflection of the state. According to annual population estimates released Thursday by the U.S. Census Bureau, nearly 1,500 fewer people lived in Beaver County than in 2015. The number is larger statewide. Nearly 7,700 fewer people lived in the state, the first time in more than 30 years Pennsylvania has seen a drop in population. If the decline continues, it could affect Pennsylvania’s clout in the country, said Rajen Mookerjee, a professor of business and economics at Penn State-Beaver."
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Old 03-23-2017, 03:31 PM
 
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Back to the topic of the article, it is still not good news. Pittsburgh: "place that suffered the second worst decline in numbers after Chicago." 4th year of consecutive decline. Combine that with the additional poor unemployment numbers that we've been seeing and it remains bad news.
Bingo.

You need to have a legitimate reason/s for people to come to the area and there's just not enough reason/s for people to do so.
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Old 03-23-2017, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh/Anchorage
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Pennsylvania is one of only two states in the country that exempt all retiree income (including 401(k) withdrawals) from taxation.
Not true at all. Most if not all states that don't have an income tax include retirement income as income (non taxed).

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Florida, Nevada, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Washington and Wyoming have sales taxes but don't impose state income taxes, or levies on Social Security and pension income.
States That Offer the Biggest Tax Relief for Retirees - AARP

PA however is the only state in the US that taxes retirement contributions as income. And as you mention that includes being taxed at the municipal level, generally 1%. So we are the only state in the union in which a 4.07% income tax is levied on our 401k contributions (even though it is tax deferred at the federal level) all throughout our working career. Just another reason PA is not tax friendly and slow growth.
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Old 03-23-2017, 07:58 PM
 
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Same story in Buffalo. Now on year 2 of decline after brief increase during recession. Natural increase sucks here too, only +74. I honestly dont know how the population keeps going down, I mean we added 6,000 jobs in the past year which for Buffalo is unheard of. My guess is the baby boomers are moving en masse to Florida
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Old 03-23-2017, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Marshall-Shadeland, Pittsburgh, PA
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Despite the awesome strides in revitalization this city is making it can't fix its location or weather. We have immense cloud cover for five months of the year with frequent precipitation and bitter wind chills. We're also on our own little island. Cleveland is 2.5 hours away. Columbus is 3 hours away. Buffalo is 3.5 hours away. Baltimore and DC are 4 hours away. Toronto is 5 hours away. Philadelphia is 6 hours away. NYC is 6.5 hours away. Within 2 hours? Trump country---lots and lots of Trump country. This city sucks for day-tripping opportunities. Erie is fantastic, but you can't go there every time you get the day-trip itch.
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Old 03-23-2017, 08:39 PM
 
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Mining and logging

Pittsburgh MSA

United States

Mining and logging employment trends in the Pittsburgh MSA very closely track those in the United States. This sector has taken a savage beating in the last two years, and it's had a disproportionate effect on the Pittsburgh MSA since mining and logging was a major component of the strong job growth from 2010-2013.


Construction

Pittsburgh MSA

United States

Construction job growth in the Pittsburgh MSA is flat but still near its peak, while the United States still has almost 1,000,000 fewer jobs in this sector despite steady growth in the last five years. Expect construction jobs to increase in the Pittsburgh MSA now that Shell is officially proceeding with its petrochemical refinery in Monaca.


Manufacturing

Pittsburgh MSA

United States

Manufacturing employment trends in the Pittsburgh MSA aren't too far off the United States, though a higher-than-average proportion of manufacturing jobs in the Pittsburgh MSA are dependent on the energy industry, which has accentuated the weakness of this sector at the local level in the last two years. This is a perfect example of the multiplier effect at work.


Trade, transportation and utilities

Pittsburgh MSA

United States

The Pittsburgh MSA is a laggard in the creation of trade, transportation and utilities jobs relative to the United States. Be that as it may, the main drivers of this sector (pun partially intended) are delivery and retail -- notice the employment spikes every December -- so this a relatively low-skill, low-paying sector.


Information

Pittsburgh MSA

United States

Information employment trends in the Pittsburgh MSA pretty closely track those in the United States. The main drivers of this sector are media and telecommunications jobs.


Financial activities

Pittsburgh MSA

United States

These are your "FIRE" jobs: finance, insurance and real estate. This sector has had strong growth in the last five years at the national level, but even then, only now has it surpassed its previous peak in 2007. The Pittsburgh MSA is at its peak too, with January 2017 employment at a new high for the month of January, but there was an odd period of decline in 2013-2014 before growth resumed again in 2015. I wonder if the Highmark fiasco had something to do with that.


Professional and business services

Pittsburgh MSA

United States

Professional and business services employment trends in the Pittsburgh MSA very closely track those in the United States, and growth has been strong. Even better is that this sector tends to have high-skilled, high-paying jobs. You know all those robotics companies sprouting up along the Allegheny River? Those jobs go in this sector. In fact, most "STEM" jobs go here.


Education and health services

Pittsburgh MSA

United States

These are your "eds and meds" jobs. This sector has had the steadiest employment growth in the United States since 2007, not even exhibiting a decline during the late-2000s recession. In the Pittsburgh MSA, there was an odd pause in growth from 2012-2014 before resuming again in 2015.


Leisure and hospitality

Pittsburgh MSA

United States

Percentage-wise, leisure and hospitality is the fastest-growing sector in both the Pittsburgh MSA and the United States. Hotels and restaurants are the drivers of this sector.


Other services

Pittsburgh MSA

United States

The Pittsburgh MSA is a laggard in the creation of jobs in other services relative to the United States. This sector is an odd grab-bag of job titles, including, but not limited to, mechanics, landscapers, personal assistants, clergy, and nonprofit workers.


Government

Pittsburgh MSA

United States

The Pittsburgh MSA is a laggard in the creation of government jobs relative to the United States.


Basically, Pittsburgh sucks if you're a merchandise stocker, truck driver, journalist, mechanic or government bureaucrat, but it's at least decent otherwise, unless you're a miner or a rigger, in which case it sucks everywhere right now.

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10,000 jobs added during a raging bull market is nothing to celebrate...
That's the workforce, not the number of jobs. The workforce counts the number of working-age people who are either employed or actively looking for work. If there was something fundamentally wrong with the local economy, the workforce would be rapidly declining.
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Old 03-23-2017, 08:45 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Nobody is spinning. This isn't the Chamber of Commerce. Really - you just joined City Data to throw that out there...?
Good catch! I think this is "you know who".

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Despite the awesome strides in revitalization this city is making it can't fix its location or weather. We have immense cloud cover for five months of the year with frequent precipitation and bitter wind chills. We're also on our own little island. Cleveland is 2.5 hours away. Columbus is 3 hours away. Buffalo is 3.5 hours away. Baltimore and DC are 4 hours away. Toronto is 5 hours away. Philadelphia is 6 hours away. NYC is 6.5 hours away. Within 2 hours? Trump country---lots and lots of Trump country. This city sucks for day-tripping opportunities. Erie is fantastic, but you can't go there every time you get the day-trip itch.
You can't bring up the weather!
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