photo radar (ticket, pay)

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by observer53

There are speed limits FOR A REASON.

And that reason is REVENUE. And perhaps the state's wanting to pander to the lowest common denominator by giving everyone a license and ignoring every other safety factor, like driving while texting, failing to use turn signals, left lane squatting and having missing brake lights. Speed doesn't kill. Speed DELTA kills. I don't do 25 over when I'm the only one on the road going that fast. But when everyone is going that fast and them panic brakes for the cameras, well, that's the state creating a dangerous situation.

I'd love to see an experiment, whereby all speed-related fine revenue is required to be donated to charity for one year. What are the chances the state would stop writing speeding tickets for all but themost egregious infractions?

[Chorizo]

Greetings from Tucson.

They just recently installed 10 more sets of cameras down here. One of them is on River Road, which I use daily. The other day, a pack of 20 or more cars was heading towards the camera. As soon as the warning signs were in sight, the pack immediately slowed down to the posted speed limit. As soon as people cleared the cameras, we all went back up to 15 over.

In this pack of cars was a Pima County Sheriff squad car (in the front, leading the way apparently!) Even the law enforcement down here does not respect the cameras!

[Magnum Mike]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

And that reason is REVENUE. And perhaps the state's wanting to pander to the lowest common denominator by giving everyone a license and ignoring every other safety factor, like driving while texting, failing to use turn signals, left lane squatting and having missing brake lights. Speed doesn't kill. Speed DELTA kills. I don't do 25 over when I'm the only one on the road going that fast. But when everyone is going that fast and them panic brakes for the cameras, well, that's the state creating a dangerous situation.

I'd love to see an experiment, whereby all speed-related fine revenue is required to be donated to charity for one year. What are the chances the state would stop writing speeding tickets for all but themost egregious infractions?

I agree with your statement on the danger that's created when motorists slow down for those camers. They allow you to go up to 10 MPH above the posted limit before those cameras take the picture, yet so many motorists slow down 10, up to 20 MPH below the limit!

I also keep hearing they're going to take those stupid things down, does anybody know when that's going to happen?

The danger is not in speeding, but motorists that don't know how to drive, and on any freeway within the city, the speed limit should be 75 MPH. For those who can't drive 75, then they should drive on surface streets.

[Rick Lee]

A good cop friend of mine said the cameras are coming down the day after the state breaks even on the contract. Cops hate those cameras, as they get flashed by them all the time. Lights flashing or no, they have some splainin' to do when the photo arrives on their super's desk. They're very easy to defeat on my motorcycle. But when I'm caging, I have to be a little more careful. My detector picks up the mobile units, but not the stationary ones. Lately, I've seen the mobile ones in the same spot every single day on I-17 around Happy Valley and on Carefree Hwy., just west of I-17. If you get nabbed by those guys, you really aren't paying attention enough to be allowed on the road.

[ranman469]

i hope the cameras stay. the best thing about them is they don't have the attitude the cop has.
meaning getting harassed if you on a bike, of getting away without a ticket if you're cute.
the camera just sends the ticket. its not biased


if it was all about money?? why have they not set up mobile cameras in construction zones. i drive the speed through there but it seams don't even slow down any

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by ranman469

i hope the cameras stay. the best thing about them is they don't have the attitude the cop has.
meaning getting harassed if you on a bike, of getting away without a ticket if you're cute.
the camera just sends the ticket. its not biased


if it was all about money?? why have they not set up mobile cameras in construction zones. i drive the speed through there but it seams don't even slow down any

I kind of like the cameras too, just not the principle behind them, which is strictly tax collection. I speed on a daily basis with a clear conscience and haven't gotten a camera ticket yet. Those cameras mean fewer cops on the road running radar and speed traps. And I'm happy for that. The stationary cameras are easy to memorize and the mobile ones are easy to detect. So I find it much easier to speed with more cameras and fewer cops out there. Though, if they replace the cameras with more cops, I asusme that means they'll be using radar, which is also easy to defeat.

I have very rarely seen a construction zone with anyone actually doing any work there. I think most of them are manned at night. I don't see why there are reduced speed limits for them when there are no workers there.

[observer53]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

And that reason is REVENUE.

Oh, Please. There were speed limit laws long before anyone ever thought of photo radar. To suggest that there is no other reason for them is, well, let's just say wrong.

I'm SO tired of people who think no law applies to them that they can buy some gadget to avoid.

MagnumMike--75 miles an hour on in town freeways, and get off if you can't do that speed? Ridiculous. That's NOT what freeways are for.

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by observer53

Oh, Please. There were speed limit laws long before anyone ever thought of photo radar.

Yes, and there were speed limit laws before cops got vascar machines and radar guns. Cameras just make it easier for the state to issue thousands of tickets per day with very little manpower. So they are a far more efficient revenue raiser than earlier methods.

Again, I'd love to see how many tickets get written if the fine revenue did not go to the state. In such a fantasy world, my prediction is the cops would then only go after folks who are a danger to rest of us, you know, folks on their cell phone, texters, left lane squatters, weavers, non-signalers. But going after those folks takes some manpower and effort. Cameras go right to the revenue source with almost no manpower needed, so that's why we have them. And we keep silly speed limits in place, which EVERYONE disobeys regularly, so the state can reach into our pockets when they feel like it. I make them work a little harder for my money. It's been a long time since I got a ticket, but I fight them all and have won plenty of times. Even when I lose, I cost the state more money than they get out of me.

[ranman469]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

I kind of like the cameras too, just not the principle behind them, which is strictly tax collection. I speed on a daily basis with a clear conscience and haven't gotten a camera ticket yet. Those cameras mean fewer cops on the road running radar and speed traps. And I'm happy for that. The stationary cameras are easy to memorize and the mobile ones are easy to detect. So I find it much easier to speed with more cameras and fewer cops out there. Though, if they replace the cameras with more cops, I asusme that means they'll be using radar, which is also easy to defeat.

I have very rarely seen a construction zone with anyone actually doing any work there. I think most of them are manned at night. I don't see why there are reduced speed limits for them when there are no workers there.

on the 60 at 4 am workers there and posted 45 i think i`m the only one doing 50.

[Finger Laker]

Originally Posted by ranman469

if it was all about money?? why have they not set up mobile cameras in construction zones. i drive the speed through there but it seams don't even slow down any

there are 2 in my 8 mile stretch of I-10 - the one coming westbound is probably within 400 feet of the speed drop