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I wouldn't be surprised if Philly is starting to decline or has declined from it's 2010 estimate. If it has declined from the 2010 census, then I wouldn't be surprised. I still see demolitions along Broad St where you're not planning on building another home, you still have two subway lines when cities like Boston, SF, Miami, DC, Chicago, and even LA for Christ's sake are building or planning new subway and commuter lines, the streets are still dirty, there's still rampant corruption a la 2020 election, and the only major company left is Comcast and while I respect it, I'm starting to hate the company! Either way, while diversity has increased throughout PA and right here in Philly, the city deserves to lose to San Antonio and I wouldn't be surprised if it lost to San Diego and Dallas once the 2020 Census comes soon.
I hear where you're coming from, but don't exaggerate.
FMC, Day & Zimmerman, and Aramark all remain headquartered in the city, as is one of the nation's 10 biggest law firms, Morgan, Lewis & Bockius. (I think two or three other AmLaw 100 firms are also based here, though one (Fox Rothschild) recently merged with a firm based in Minneapolis.)
That may indeed be fewer Fortune 500 firms than were here in 1980 or 1990, but it's still more than one.
As for transportation and infrastructure, that's been a longtime problem here. We were supposed to get six rapid transit lines back when the City Councils approved a transit expansion plan in 1913. And don't forget how long it took to build City Hall.
But the population estimates continued to climb, though by fewer people, in 2019. We will see what the 2020 Census reveals.
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Cleveland doesn't have a reputation as a steel city like Pittsburgh or a motor city like Detroit, although Cleveland had factories that specialized in those industries, plus the rubber industry is based in Akron, not Cleveland and it never developed a strong music culture like Phila or Detroit did. The biggest music culture in OH came from Dayton, not Cleveland. All those funk bands from the Ohio Players, Slave, Lakeside, Zapp, and Heatwave were based in that small town even though Cleveland was the largest city for so long in OH (now it's Columbus) and why so much talent in Dayton? I guess it's the water down there that produced such an immense amount of talent. BTW, the Isley Bros are based around Cincinnati.
Again with the exaggeration: Dayton isn't as big as the three C's, but it's not a "small town." It's a medium-sized city (150k) in a medium-sized metro (800k).
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I was impressed with KC and I now consider it MO's primary city not just because of the population, but it's just a better run and orderly city. Only thing about KC is that it sprawls through three counties, but even so, it's just a better run city, and a lot cleaner than a city I used to like, St Louis.
St. Louis remains Missouri's primary city (including its suburbs). Kansas City is split nearly evenly between two states, and strange as it may sound, Kansas City, Mo., is the most important city in Kansas.
I do agree the years have not been kind to the St. Louis, but the reason KC is now the state's largest city is because it could annex its future suburban growth after World War II while St. Louis could not, having divorced itself from the surrounding county in 1876. KC's population also fell between 1970, when it was just over 500,000, until 2000, when its population was about the same as it was in 1940. It's just that St. Louis lost even more people over a longer time span (beginning in 1950, and it hasn't ended yet).
BTW, KC also has the stronger jazz history — it was the epicenter of jazz in America from the 1920s through the 1950s and was the home to Count Basie, Mary Lou Williams and the greatest of the be-bop musicians (and arguably Philadelphian John Coltrane's rival for greatest jazz musician ever), Charlie Parker. (There are other notable KC jazz musicians whose names I forget. Currently, the best jazz musician who hails from the area is Lee's Summit native Pat Metheny.)
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It's not the human nature of Philadelphia, even even then, you'll have your provincialism in Philadelphia. I'm friends with an Italian American woman who has never been to NY EVER. She's fine in my eyes and I consider her my type physically, spiritually, and mentally. We're probably the same people: hardworking, witty, and honest as well as spiritual with the only difference being that she's Italian and I'm Trinidadian and she still lives in South Philly and I'm out in the NE. She'd be my girl if she wasn't involved with somebody else.
So's my boyfriend, whose parents moved from Queens to Adamstown, Lancaster County, when he was a young teen. (I told his father when I met him in Ephrata on the evening my bf's brother died that "this was the last place in Pennsylvania where I'd expect to run into Black people." They landed there because the IT firm his wife worked for moved there, and she followed her job.) His father was a major soccer star and played on the national team (and in the old North American Soccer League; he told me he remembered playing the Kansas City Spurs in one of the league's last seasons).
[/quote]But trust me, people outside the NE consider people from the Northeast brusque and off-putting for some strange reason even though many of us are otherwise, but that stereotype still exists. We're not exactly NYC with the Guido culture (although it exists in South Jersey), the arrogance, and the superiority complex, but we're not Southerners nor are we Midwesterners. We're nice, but nice enough. Phila gets the reputation of being a tough city for a reason and when you're wedged between NYC and DC (trust me, Phila doesn't want to be DC), you have to put up with a lot of crap, so I guess it rubs on a lot of people the wrong way when people in Philly are trying to survive in this cold, corrupt, off-putting, and now unmotivating city of Philadelphia.[/quote]
I guess so, and in some respects, 'twas ever thus.
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North Philly is what I would call half-Black and half-Puerto Rican and Dominican, with Broad St being the dividing line between Black Philadelphia to the West and Latino Philadelphia to the East. You'll still see blacks living in the East of Broad St while Latinos are still present in black areas, albeit in a smaller number. Either way, Blacks and Latinos mainly coexist in Philly, and even when you go to Allentown, Bethlehem, Easton, Reading, and Lancaster, the populaces are either majority of mostly Latino, and you'll see blacks occasionally in those areas. We're 10-20% of the populations in those cities, but blacks are there, albeit less concentrated than Phila, Pittsburgh, and even Harrisburg.
If he's not careful, my bf may succeed in persuading me to move to Lancaster, which IMO is one of the coolest small cities on the East Coast, maybe even the country. He doesn't think much of Philadelphians either, especially not the gay community here.
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I wouldn't go as far as calling it racist because there's certain parts of South Phila I wouldn't mind going but wouldn't live there because I'm not Italian and even though Fishtown has changed, I wouldn't even consider buying a house in Fishtown because I came from the 80's and the 90's where places like Bensonhurst and Howard Beach were no-go areas for black people in general. Not saying South Phila was and is like Bensonhurst, as I've made more Italian friends from South Phila than all of NYC, and as funny as it may seem to a lot of people, Rizzo was a much better Italian mayor than Giuliani of NYC, but the point of the matter is that as somebody of Caribbean ancestry, I still feel uncomfortable when I'm too far from a Caribbean restaurant.
Some people will travel 5-10 miles just to go to the Caribbean store/restaurant but I'm tired of traveling long distances just to get to the Caribbean store. I like access to whatever I need and if it means getting curry shrimp, roti, or oxtails, I have to be close to the action. Trust me, after living and working in SF for two years and the closest Caribbean restaurant wasn't in SF (too damn expensive and the food wasn't quality) or even Oakland but in San Leandro, and the one in San Leandro burned down once you discovered the location, it can put a bummer as to whether the Bay Area or all of CA has a decent sized Caribbean community, let alone a restaurant. I'd love to come back to the Bay, but I just don't want to go having to eating Chinese, Italian, Japanese, and even Portuguese, but no Caribbean. Can't do that to my people!!!
You took a sort of roundabout route to get there, but it seems to me that there are a decent number of Caribbean restaurants here in Philadelphia, some of them centrally located.
Are you familiar with Flambo, on Broad Street just south of the Met? It's a Trini restaurant.
I hear where you're coming from, but don't exaggerate.
FMC, Day & Zimmerman, and Aramark all remain headquartered in the city, as is one of the nation's 10 biggest law firms, Morgan, Lewis & Bockius. (I think two or three other AmLaw 100 firms are also based here, though one (Fox Rothschild) recently merged with a firm based in Minneapolis.)
That may indeed be fewer Fortune 500 firms than were here in 1980 or 1990, but it's still more than one.
As for transportation and infrastructure, that's been a longtime problem here. We were supposed to get six rapid transit lines back when the City Councils approved a transit expansion plan in 1913. And don't forget how long it took to build City Hall.
But the population estimates continued to climb, though by fewer people, in 2019. We will see what the 2020 Census reveals.
I'm not familiar with Day & Zimmerman. I'm more interested in the Fortune 500 companies. Either way, FMC is Fortune 1000, not Fortune 500, D&Z is privately owned, and I'm not holding confidence that Aramark may stay here for the long haul. Either way, Phila's economy is shot until something else comes up. It help steady during the 2000s and started to decline in the 2010s little by little. And Phila is going to get surpassed by San Antonio, Dallas and San Diego in the 2010s. I wish it weren't true, but don't get surprised if that happens due to the high population growth of those cities.
And yes, we was supposed to have a much bigger mass transit system. I'm no fan of placing a subway line along 33rd St to Roxbourough, and an extension of the BSL from Olney to Cedarbrook is nice, but I'd like to see an extension to Jenkintown-Wyncote, and while I have mixed opinions on the Blvd Subway, I'd like to see it go from Part Casino all the way down to Holme Circle, then a right turn along Solly Ave, and another section from Bell's Corner to Oxford Circle, and two lines one going to Frankford TC as a subway and following the MFL and another along the Blvd to Adams Ave, Cheltenham Ave, and Oak Ln to Olney Ave as a Northeast shuttle.
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Again with the exaggeration: Dayton isn't as big as the three C's, but it's not a "small town." It's a medium-sized city (150k) in a medium-sized metro (800k).
Okay, I exaggerated, but Dayton is smaller, albeit technically a city. I still look at Buffalo as a small town even though it's also a city. Pittsburgh and Cleveland look like cities, but after going around Buffalo, it just has that small town feeling, and I wouldn't be surprised if Dayton has the same feeling if I drove down there. It's no offense to Dayton or Buffalo.
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St. Louis remains Missouri's primary city (including its suburbs). Kansas City is split nearly evenly between two states, and strange as it may sound, Kansas City, Mo., is the most important city in Kansas.
I do agree the years have not been kind to the St. Louis, but the reason KC is now the state's largest city is because it could annex its future suburban growth after World War II while St. Louis could not, having divorced itself from the surrounding county in 1876. KC's population also fell between 1970, when it was just over 500,000, until 2000, when its population was about the same as it was in 1940. It's just that St. Louis lost even more people over a longer time span (beginning in 1950, and it hasn't ended yet).
BTW, KC also has the stronger jazz history — it was the epicenter of jazz in America from the 1920s through the 1950s and was the home to Count Basie, Mary Lou Williams and the greatest of the be-bop musicians (and arguably Philadelphian John Coltrane's rival for greatest jazz musician ever), Charlie Parker. (There are other notable KC jazz musicians whose names I forget. Currently, the best jazz musician who hails from the area is Lee's Summit native Pat Metheny.)
Even though STL is the bigger as per the MSA and the CSA, KC is the bigger city and the city, the MSA, and the CSA is growing. The STL city proper is declining, and the MSA and the CSA is basically stagnant, and I could see KC eclipse STL as MO's primary city while STL declines. If you told me what I thought of KC before visiting, I would've preferred STL. Now, after going to that city twice, I have to say that KC is just a better city overall. I don't hate STL, I still like certain aspects of it, but STL as a city has the worst diplomats in the form of the hospital (BJC), taxi drivers, motel operators, and the downtown is dead. The biggest downtown isn't Downtown STL but Clayton.
I won't say the people are all bad, because there's good and bad everywhere, but I wasn't just impressed with the city and it's attitude, and that's why if falls down to KC. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who shares this sentiment of thinking STL is a struggling, but nice city, but now I feel it's just a huge, utter disappointment of a city. It may have been a good city, even from the declining years of the 1950s all the way to the 2000s, but nowadays, that city doesn't exist and it's a complete shadow of its former glory.
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So's my boyfriend, whose parents moved from Queens to Adamstown, Lancaster County, when he was a young teen. (I told his father when I met him in Ephrata on the evening my bf's brother died that "this was the last place in Pennsylvania where I'd expect to run into Black people." They landed there because the IT firm his wife worked for moved there, and she followed her job.) His father was a major soccer star and played on the national team (and in the old North American Soccer League; he told me he remembered playing the Kansas City Spurs in one of the league's last seasons).
I guess so, and in some respects, 'twas ever thus.
If he's not careful, my bf may succeed in persuading me to move to Lancaster, which IMO is one of the coolest small cities on the East Coast, maybe even the country. He doesn't think much of Philadelphians either, especially not the gay community here.
Even the gay population is losing faith in Philly? Wow! That's news to me. What's even funnier is that the movie with Tom Hanks and Denzel Washington was named after this great city and even the gays are planning to move out of Philadelphia. I used to get a lot of jokes back in the military when one of my co-workers used to mock me with the Philadelphia - City of Brotherly Love jokes and it used to rankle me at times, but the fact that even the gays are leaving and you know there's something wrong with the city. It has to be very horrible!!!
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You took a sort of roundabout route to get there, but it seems to me that there are a decent number of Caribbean restaurants here in Philadelphia, some of them centrally located.
Are you familiar with Flambo, on Broad Street just south of the Met? It's a Trini restaurant.
Trust me, I've been to Flambo, and it really doesn't cater to real Trinis the way the old restaurants at 5th and Olney and Broad and Olney (RIP). The only one left os Brown Sugar on 52nd St, and while the service is nice as well as the food, there are times I don't feel like going to West Philly just to enjoy Trini food when I could just be closer to Olney.
I hear where you're coming from, but don't exaggerate.
FMC, Day & Zimmerman, and Aramark all remain headquartered in the city, as is one of the nation's 10 biggest law firms, Morgan, Lewis & Bockius. (I think two or three other AmLaw 100 firms are also based here, though one (Fox Rothschild) recently merged with a firm based in Minneapolis.)
That may indeed be fewer Fortune 500 firms than were here in 1980 or 1990, but it's still more than one.
As for transportation and infrastructure, that's been a longtime problem here. We were supposed to get six rapid transit lines back when the City Councils approved a transit expansion plan in 1913. And don't forget how long it took to build City Hall.
But the population estimates continued to climb, though by fewer people, in 2019. We will see what the 2020 Census reveals.
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I don't know why that poster is obsessed with Fortune 500s... And as you said, their post was exaggerated. To state Comcast is the "only large company left" is ridiculous.
Also, add Chubb, which has one of its largest offices in North America located in Philadelphia (with plans to consolidate Northeast operations into Philadelphia before the pandemic), and the booming life sciences sector that is adding startups and jobs left and right. (more important IMO than adding a Fortune 500).
And do the suburbs not count? Some of the largest (public and private) companies in the world are located in the 4 PA counties around Philadelphia. Of course I want these in the city and I would like to see leadership increase the city's business profile, but this poster has a track record of exaggerations (here and on the Skyscraper page).
If you break down metro stats, Philadelphia falls in line with the other big players... Moderator cut: link removed, competitor site
I will say a big missed opportunity was getting BlackRock down here in ~2008. Having BlackRock & Vanguard (the 2 largest investment advisors in the world) in the Philadelphia are would be awesome.
In summary, most of us agree that Philadelphia has all the assets to boom, but its a 2 step forward 1 step backward approach with most of leadership. The "it is what is it" approach from nearly all of them is tired, even Gym basically said that when asked about wage & Birt taxes last month...like come on... Now is the time more than ever to market the heck out of Philadelphia and invest in real plans to improve the business environment, its competitiveness, improving transit, reducing poverty, etc.
(And I don't think Philadelphia deserves to lose its population rank either, lol. Another dumb sentence, IMO).
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I'm not familiar with Day & Zimmerman. I'm more interested in the Fortune 500 companies. Either way, FMC is Fortune 1000, not Fortune 500, D&Z is privately owned, and I'm not holding confidence that Aramark may stay here for the long haul. Either way, Phila's economy is shot until something else comes up. It help steady during the 2000s and started to decline in the 2010s little by little. And Phila is going to get surpassed by San Antonio, Dallas and San Diego in the 2010s. I wish it weren't true, but don't get surprised if that happens due to the high population growth of those cities.
And yes, we was supposed to have a much bigger mass transit system. I'm no fan of placing a subway line along 33rd St to Roxbourough, and an extension of the BSL from Olney to Cedarbrook is nice, but I'd like to see an extension to Jenkintown-Wyncote, and while I have mixed opinions on the Blvd Subway, I'd like to see it go from Part Casino all the way down to Holme Circle, then a right turn along Solly Ave, and another section from Bell's Corner to Oxford Circle, and two lines one going to Frankford TC as a subway and following the MFL and another along the Blvd to Adams Ave, Cheltenham Ave, and Oak Ln to Olney Ave as a Northeast shuttle.
Okay, I exaggerated, but Dayton is smaller, albeit technically a city. I still look at Buffalo as a small town even though it's also a city. Pittsburgh and Cleveland look like cities, but after going around Buffalo, it just has that small town feeling, and I wouldn't be surprised if Dayton has the same feeling if I drove down there. It's no offense to Dayton or Buffalo.
Even though STL is the bigger as per the MSA and the CSA, KC is the bigger city and the city, the MSA, and the CSA is growing. The STL city proper is declining, and the MSA and the CSA is basically stagnant, and I could see KC eclipse STL as MO's primary city while STL declines. If you told me what I thought of KC before visiting, I would've preferred STL. Now, after going to that city twice, I have to say that KC is just a better city overall. I don't hate STL, I still like certain aspects of it, but STL as a city has the worst diplomats in the form of the hospital (BJC), taxi drivers, motel operators, and the downtown is dead. The biggest downtown isn't Downtown STL but Clayton.
I won't say the people are all bad, because there's good and bad everywhere, but I wasn't just impressed with the city and it's attitude, and that's why if falls down to KC. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who shares this sentiment of thinking STL is a struggling, but nice city, but now I feel it's just a huge, utter disappointment of a city. It may have been a good city, even from the declining years of the 1950s all the way to the 2000s, but nowadays, that city doesn't exist and it's a complete shadow of its former glory.
Even the gay population is losing faith in Philly? Wow! That's news to me. What's even funnier is that the movie with Tom Hanks and Denzel Washington was named after this great city and even the gays are planning to move out of Philadelphia. I used to get a lot of jokes back in the military when one of my co-workers used to mock me with the Philadelphia - City of Brotherly Love jokes and it used to rankle me at times, but the fact that even the gays are leaving and you know there's something wrong with the city. It has to be very horrible!!!
Trust me, I've been to Flambo, and it really doesn't cater to real Trinis the way the old restaurants at 5th and Olney and Broad and Olney (RIP). The only one left os Brown Sugar on 52nd St, and while the service is nice as well as the food, there are times I don't feel like going to West Philly just to enjoy Trini food when I could just be closer to Olney.
All I can say is your posts seem largely emotionally driven rather than logically based.
First of all, there was no fraud in the 2020 election.
The state courts, the Attorney General of both Pennsylvania and the Federal Government (Trumps own Attorney General: Barr) along with the Supreme Court all said there was no fraud. It did not exist.
With that, I think maybe take a break to Florida as you suggested?
You seem unhappy here for personal reasons. You said you were laid off many times. I think maybe some of your personal experiences are giving you emotional weight in your discussion rather than having a logic based discussion.
I wish you luck.
Philadelphia is a fantastic city. It has some blight, but it has seen a lot of progress and is still on an uphill trajectory. It is much much cleaner than NYC, as well.
I think COVID has driven a lot of frustration because it has largely stopped measurable progress, but Philadelphia is just on pause. Not decline.
My two cents
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I’ll accept anything but to say that Philly is cleaner than any other major city. The place is disgusting. Trash everywhere you look. It’s really embarrassing.
Save for center city compared to Manhattan maybe. But the rest of the city definitely not. NYC is cleaner (in relative terms ofc; Bc it's still filthy IMO). But Philly really has to find a solution to the trash issue. It’s way overdue.
Reading Malcolm Gladwell’s Tipping Points made me think that perhaps if Philly were to have cleaner streets, crime might actually decline.
I have been around Philly a bit myself. I never thought filth was an issue. Tell me what areas of Philly you think are even dirtier. I live in Queens, and it is filthy. I will go to Philly most filthy place, and let you know what I think. I am do for a day cation anyways.
I have been around Philly a bit myself. I never thought filth was an issue. Tell me what areas of Philly you think are even dirtier. I live in Queens, and it is filthy. I will go to Philly most filthy place, and let you know what I think. I am do for a day cation anyways.
Cobbs Creek Parkway and the area that connects SW Philly and West Philly will make your hair turn white. Also around Kensington is the pits.
I don't agree with describing the whole city as filthy. The North West and Northeast parts of the city aren't sparkling clean, but they are clean for the most part. The neigborhood I moved to last year in South Philly is clean. There's a karen on my block who acts an enforcer. If you put your trash out poorly, she will come out and let you know. Nice change up to the renters I always lived around who didn't really put much effort into putting out their trash perfectly.
Before my brother got married, he use to live at the top of 20 exchange place in dt manhattan, it wasn't any dirtier litterwise than where I lived in Center City, but it smelled 10x worse due to just the massive amount of trash.
I’ll accept anything but to say that Philly is cleaner than any other major city. The place is disgusting. Trash everywhere you look. It’s really embarrassing.
The only other city that's nastier than Phila is San Francisco. Although it has a much better economy due to banking, tourism, and of course Silicon Valley, I've never seen the homeless literally defecating on the street's sidewalks than anywhere in SF. Also, LA has the most homeless anywhere in the country. At least I haven't really seen the homeless in Phila defecate anywhere at the same rate as the ones in SF and LA.
And speaking of LA, San Pedro St in DT LA has got to be the worst street in LA, let alone America!!! Seeing a lot of the homeless in LA is sad, especially since outside of Hollywood, a lot of the aerospace and refinery jobs seemed to be outsourced, and that's a result of LA's contracting economy. As lucrative and powerful Hollywood is, you just can't rely solely on Hollywood just to pay the city's bills, and LA's Skid Row is a great example of that.
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Cobbs Creek Parkway and the area that connects SW Philly and West Philly will make your hair turn white. Also around Kensington is the pits.
I don't agree with describing the whole city as filthy. The North West and Northeast parts of the city aren't sparkling clean, but they are clean for the most part. The neigborhood I moved to last year in South Philly is clean. There's a karen on my block who acts an enforcer. If you put your trash out poorly, she will come out and let you know. Nice change up to the renters I always lived around who didn't really put much effort into putting out their trash perfectly.
Before my brother got married, he use to live at the top of 20 exchange place in dt manhattan, it wasn't any dirtier litterwise than where I lived in Center City, but it smelled 10x worse due to just the massive amount of trash.
That area along Cobbs Creek Pkwy I know what you're talking about, between Baltimore Ave and Whitby Ave. Also along 58th St between Baltimore and Woodland, it looks like it used to be a decent, stable working to middle class neighborhood. Especially along Thomas Ave, seeing a lot of the bigger homes being demolished makes me want to shed some tears if I was still able to cry. Once again, the city needs to point the finger at itself for allowing once pristine neighborhoods to go that way because different people were moving to those areas.
Cobbs Creek Parkway and the area that connects SW Philly and West Philly will make your hair turn white. Also around Kensington is the pits.
I don't agree with describing the whole city as filthy. The North West and Northeast parts of the city aren't sparkling clean, but they are clean for the most part. The neigborhood I moved to last year in South Philly is clean. There's a karen on my block who acts an enforcer. If you put your trash out poorly, she will come out and let you know. Nice change up to the renters I always lived around who didn't really put much effort into putting out their trash perfectly.
Before my brother got married, he use to live at the top of 20 exchange place in dt manhattan, it wasn't any dirtier litterwise than where I lived in Center City, but it smelled 10x worse due to just the massive amount of trash.
Good choice, considering most of South Philly is trashy as all get out.
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