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Old 04-25-2019, 05:52 PM
 
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Fear of heights continue to reign the city.
How would you have coped in the city when nothing was taller than City Hall? More
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Old 04-26-2019, 07:20 AM
 
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I would have become mayor and built the Empire State Building in Philadelphia.
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Old 04-26-2019, 07:44 AM
 
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I don't know why people are so pro-high rise. I would rather that we have 3 healthy 10 story buildings take 3 of our empty parking lots than to build a 30 story tower on 1 parking lot. Spread the love and investment out. Build vibrancy and places for people on a wider scale. Seriously, the best cities in the world have few high rises IMO.
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Old 04-26-2019, 08:44 AM
 
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They are expanding like crazy.

Great hospital. It's the reason we live in Philly now. Had a child at CHoP.
It's always been great. Plus we are blessed to have other pediatric health care like Shriners and St Chris.
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Old 04-26-2019, 08:47 AM
 
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Is that really a surprise for a city that was terrified of skyscrapers until the mid-80s?

Not fear so much as tradition to kinda honor the building that is topped by the guy who founded the city.
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Old 04-26-2019, 08:49 AM
 
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I don't know why people are so pro-high rise. I would rather that we have 3 healthy 10 story buildings take 3 of our empty parking lots than to build a 30 story tower on 1 parking lot. Spread the love and investment out. Build vibrancy and places for people on a wider scale. Seriously, the best cities in the world have few high rises IMO.
But why does it always have to be one or the other?

Plus, I am hard pressed to find "healthy" mid-rise developments in Philadelphia, most have been terrible.

1900 Arch, the building at Broad and Washington, the Hanover Developments on N. Broad, all horrible looking, but hey, at least they are short... I don't like that mentality. Yes, most are an improvement over what was there (or what wasn't there), but its 2019, we don't have to clap our hands at every project that comes down the pike, lets strive for the best, I would rather a parking lot sit for another 2 years in order to get an A+ project than develop it now for a C- project. (Also, I am focusing on the Greater CC boundaries, I don't expect 30 story towers in Point Breeze).

Yet, it seems most new high-rise projects are attractive, 1706 Ritt, 500 Walnut, One Riverside, FMC, Evo, Mormon Tower, all very attractive towers. A high-rise has more opportunities to either stand out or fit in, it also allows so many more design opportunities than a shoe-box building.

The logic of short is good, tall is bad has not shown to be beneficial to me at all... And NO, I am not saying every single corner and lot should be a 30 story tower, but that particular project on the Delaware, does it really matter if its 34 vs 24 stories?.... That is more what I am getting at.

If 205 Race Street counts as mid-rise, then I like that design and building, mid-rises should strive for that.

Sorry if I sound bitter, I am not Hard to show thoughts online without coming off as dramatic.

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Old 04-26-2019, 08:50 AM
 
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Not fear so much as tradition to kinda honor the building that is topped by the guy who founded the city.
That's a very provincial, backwards way of thinking. It's unfortunately all too common of an attitude among Philadelphians (especially natives), even in 2019.
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Old 04-26-2019, 09:06 AM
 
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I would have become mayor and built the Empire State Building in Philadelphia.
We got the PSFS bldg the next year, the first MODERN, international style, tower in the world. Art Deco(ESB) was made instantly obsolete. lol

How do you stand going to Europe where few are enamored of tall buildings?
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Old 04-26-2019, 09:09 AM
 
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That's a very provincial, backwards way of thinking. It's unfortunately all too common of an attitude among Philadelphians (especially natives), even in 2019.
This from a guy who came from a provincial area.

Obviously the height mavens won! Be happy.
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Old 04-26-2019, 09:11 AM
 
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But why does it always have to be one or the other?

Plus, I am hard pressed to find "healthy" mid-rise developments in Philadelphia, most have been terrible.
I don't know that it has to be one or the other. People on this board just seemed disappointed or aggravated when a project is not as tall. The truth is that "it looks cool" is not helping our cities. If we want something to move QOL forward in our cities, we will aim to build out rather than just up, accompanied by more places for people. Tall towers surrounded by streets with traffic is one of the primary reasons why I think USA cities suck.

And just to be clear, the thinking is that money put toward an expensive project to build 40 stories takes up a lot of investment in a small plot. It also doesn't really help street vibrancy (not that that's a problem in Center City at least). I'd rather see much more development like Market East with a pedestrian walk way. And it could be shorter if that means that more investment can happen outward rather than upward.
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