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Old 12-23-2017, 11:32 AM
 
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A mixed-use project at 59th and Market in West Philly has received a $5M grant during this cycle of development grants: Affordable developer's West Philly project is city's biggest recipient of state development grant.

Down the page, you’ll find Dranoff has received another $1.4M for the SLS project at Broad and Spruce. He’s now received $2.4M of his total of $20M he’s been seeking. If he’s not ready to begin development, I’d sure like to see that ugly hole filled in and turned into a pocket park until Dranoff has received enough of our tax dollars to line his pocket.
Wrt, to the 5900 Market project. Nice rendering. And I hope it happens. Another new development did happen 4 blocks away at 63rd and Market. According to my sister, who lives near both, a couple of businesses are going into the latter. I'm thrilled about new investment coming around there.

Mmmm, Dranoff probably won't sink money into making a park there in the interim but I like your idea.
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Old 12-23-2017, 11:42 AM
 
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Down the page, you’ll find Dranoff has received another $1.4M for the SLS project at Broad and Spruce. He’s now received $2.4M of his total of $20M he’s been seeking. If he’s not ready to begin development, I’d sure like to see that ugly hole filled in and turned into a pocket park until Dranoff has received enough of our tax dollars to line his pocket.
Although, yes, he is going to get $$$$ so I get what you mean. But on the other hand he had a particular vision decades ago of what living in the city could be like and we are continuing the very same vision today.
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Old 12-23-2017, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Center City
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Although, yes, he is going to get $$$$ so I get what you mean. But on the other hand he had a particular vision decades ago of what living in the city could be like and we are continuing the very same vision today.
I just question that part of his vision has included requiring the rest of us to live with a giant hole on the “Avenue of the Arts” for a couple of years now, with no discernible signs of change. At least before he cleared the existing buildings, there was a pretty fine beer garden next to BSM. Sigh
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Old 12-23-2017, 04:16 PM
 
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I just question that part of his vision has included requiring the rest of us to live with a giant hole on the “Avenue of the Arts” for a couple of years now, with no discernible signs of change. At least before he cleared the existing buildings, there was a pretty fine beer garden next to BSM. Sigh
A couple of examples of how the city "leadership" turned its back on two CC sites that stayed eyesores for years: the burned out hulk of the Meridian Bldg and what eventually became the Rittenhouse Hotel.

You may know about the Meridian mess since there is wikipedia info. It stayed vacant, with burned out upper floors, for 8 years when it was finally torn down. If you have ever seen the movie, Philadelphia, you can see it in the opening montage complete with a huge tarp on the top. And the section of ground where the W Hotel is going up stayed in owner limbo for years more.

Before the Rittenhouse Hotel was created it was a, hoped for, residential development being built by Jerry Wolman, the late former owner of the Eagles. He partially completed the project with the exterior looking pretty much like it does today. Then he went bankrupt, the project stopped, and no construction proceeded for years. He lost control of it and eventually it became the Rittenhouse in the late 90s.

Of course these were private properties but the city didn't seem to intervene at all in two extremely high profile areas in Center City. I do remember Rendell being very upset about the Meridian but....

Back to Dranoff, given his history I do believe he will get it done. But, in the meantime, yeah, I agree... Can something happen to that hole in the ground temporarily? Don't let it turn into another Meridian fiasco.
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Old 12-23-2017, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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A couple of examples of how the city "leadership" turned its back on two CC sites that stayed eyesores for years: the burned out hulk of the Meridian Bldg and what eventually became the Rittenhouse Hotel.

You may know about the Meridian mess since there is wikipedia info. It stayed vacant, with burned out upper floors, for 8 years when it was finally torn down. If you have ever seen the movie, Philadelphia, you can see it in the opening montage complete with a huge tarp on the top. And the section of ground where the W Hotel is going up stayed in owner limbo for years more.

Before the Rittenhouse Hotel was created it was a, hoped for, residential development being built by Jerry Wolman, the late former owner of the Eagles. He partially completed the project with the exterior looking pretty much like it does today. Then he went bankrupt, the project stopped, and no construction proceeded for years. He lost control of it and eventually it became the Rittenhouse in the late 90s.

Of course these were private properties but the city didn't seem to intervene at all in two extremely high profile areas in Center City. I do remember Rendell being very upset about the Meridian but....

Back to Dranoff, given his history I do believe he will get it done. But, in the meantime, yeah, I agree... Can something happen to that hole in the ground temporarily? Don't let it turn into another Meridian fiasco.
One, sometimes the city can't intervene in a dispute among private parties. The Meridian site remained a partly burned-out hulk for as long as it did because the building's owner and its insurer had different ideas about what should happen afterward.

As for why no one bought the Wolgin property out of the bankrupt estate earlier, your guess is as good as mine, but if the property was tied up in bankruptcy proceedings, there wasn't much the city could do there either to speed up the process.

I believe Dranoff will build something there, most likely the building he said he would build. On the other hand, while hindsight is 20-20, he might have done better leaving the existing buildings in place and continuing to lease them short-term until he had the funding he wanted to build in hand.
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Old 12-23-2017, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Just sayin,


Out in center city today and it was as vibrant and beautiful as anytime I've been in NYC. This town is exploding in a very good way.
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Old 12-24-2017, 06:21 AM
 
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One, sometimes the city can't intervene in a dispute among private parties. The Meridian site remained a partly burned-out hulk for as long as it did because the building's owner and its insurer had different ideas about what should happen afterward.

As for why no one bought the Wolgin property out of the bankrupt estate earlier, your guess is as good as mine, but if the property was tied up in bankruptcy proceedings, there wasn't much the city could do there either to speed up the process.

I believe Dranoff will build something there, most likely the building he said he would build. On the other hand, while hindsight is 20-20, he might have done better leaving the existing buildings in place and continuing to lease them short-term until he had the funding he wanted to build in hand.
Wolman not Wolgin. He also built Spectrum.
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Old 12-24-2017, 06:24 AM
 
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Just sayin,


Out in center city today and it was as vibrant and beautiful as anytime I've been in NYC. This town is exploding in a very good way.
And we are still building on this momentum!
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Old 12-24-2017, 02:29 PM
 
Location: The Left Toast
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And we are still building on this momentum!
I was there today, as well as a few other times this week. Yes, it's quite vibrant.., and enjoyable.
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Old 12-30-2017, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Center City
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Yay!

”A Philadelphia judge has granted the Post Bros. property group zoning clearance to convert the decayed North Philadelphia warehouse known as the Quaker Building into high-end apartments, with lower-floor retail and office space.

This week’s decision by Judge Daniel J. Anders reverses a ruling in September by the city’s Zoning Board of Adjustment against allowing residences at the 900 N. Ninth St. building, which stands on a parcel designated for industrial use.“


Judge clears Post Bros.'s N. Philly warehouse-to-apartment rehab, reversing zoning board decision
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