Philadelphia vs Pittsburgh (Harrisburg, Dallas, Houston: closing, to move, bars)

[MB1562]

Originally Posted by wpipkins2

Sounds like you may have been in the suburbs and not the "city". Pittsburgh's lack of diversity is obvious once you leave the inner city. The city itself appears more diverse than it is.

No, I was in the city the whole time, and it definitely did not feel very diverse at all. At least not in the way that a city on the East Coast is. Just an observation.

[thedirtypirate]

We can all be proud of Matty Ice making it to the super bowl! Pittsburgh might be known for their legendary QBs, but this year one of Philadelphia's own made it to the big one. I'm rooting for him all the way.

[MarketStEl]

Originally Posted by MB1562

No, I was in the city the whole time, and it definitely did not feel very diverse at all. At least not in the way that a city on the East Coast is. Just an observation.

Here are some figures for comparison, all Census data via Wikipedia:

Pittsburgh
Population (2010): 305,704
66% White (64.8% non-Hispanic), 26.1% Black/African-American, 2.3% Hispanic/Latino (any race), 4.4% Asian*

Philadelphia
Population (2010): 1,526,006
43.6% Black/African-American (42.2% non-Hispanic), 41.8% White (36.9% non-Hispanic), 12.3% Hispanic/Latino (any race), 6.3% Asian, 5.9% some other race, 2.8% two or more races, 0.5% Native American/Alaskan Native

Population (2014 est.): 1,560,297
45.3% White (35.8% non-Hispanic), 44.1% Black/African-American, 13.6% Hispanic/Latino (any race), 7.2% Asian, 2.5% two or more races, 0.8% Native American/Alaskan Native, 0.1% Native Hawaiian/Other Pacific Islander

New York
Population (2010): 8,175,133
44% White (33.3% non-Hispanic), 28.6% Hispanic/Latino (any race), 25.5% Black/African American, 12.7% Asian

Boston
Population (2015 est.): 667,137
52.9% White (44.6% non-Hispanic), 25.3% Black/African-American, 19.5% Hispanic/Latino (any race), 9.4% Asian, 4.5% two or more races, 0.4% Native American/Alaskan Native

Baltimore
Population (2010): 620,961
63.7% Black/African-American, 29.6% White, 2.3% Asian, 2.1% two or more races, 1.8% some other race, 0.4% Native American/Alaskan Native, .04% Native Hawaiian/Other Pacific Islander

Washington
Population (2016 est.): 681,170
(Demographics 2015 est.) 48.3% Black/African-American, 44.1% White (36.1% non-Hispanic), 10.6% Hispanic (any race), 4.2% Asian, 2.7% two or more races, 0.6% Native American/Alaskan Native, 0.2% Native Hawaiian/Other Pacific Islander

Apropos of nothing, all of the above cities save New York, which is at its peak population now, reached their peak populations in the 1950 Census. Philadelphia and Washington lost residents through 2000 and have regained some since then (Washington, a good number from 2010 to the 2015 estimate); New York lost residents in the 1950s and 1970s but has gained them in every other decade since 1950; Boston lost residents through 1990 but has regained many since then; Baltimore has lost residents in every Census since 1950 but posted a slight gain in the 2015 estimate; Pittsburgh's population continues to fall.

[speagles84]

Originally Posted by MarketStEl

Here are some figures for comparison, all Census data via Wikipedia:

Pittsburgh
Population (2010): 305,704
66% White (64.8% non-Hispanic), 26.1% Black/African-American, 2.3% Hispanic/Latino (any race), 4.4% Asian*

Philadelphia
Population (2010): 1,526,006
43.6% Black/African-American (42.2% non-Hispanic), 41.8% White (36.9% non-Hispanic), 12.3% Hispanic/Latino (any race), 6.3% Asian, 5.9% some other race, 2.8% two or more races, 0.5% Native American/Alaskan Native

Population (2014 est.): 1,560,297
45.3% White (35.8% non-Hispanic), 44.1% Black/African-American, 13.6% Hispanic/Latino (any race), 7.2% Asian, 2.5% two or more races, 0.8% Native American/Alaskan Native, 0.1% Native Hawaiian/Other Pacific Islander

New York
Population (2010): 8,175,133
44% White (33.3% non-Hispanic), 28.6% Hispanic/Latino (any race), 25.5% Black/African American, 12.7% Asian

Boston
Population (2015 est.): 667,137
52.9% White (44.6% non-Hispanic), 25.3% Black/African-American, 19.5% Hispanic/Latino (any race), 9.4% Asian, 4.5% two or more races, 0.4% Native American/Alaskan Native

Baltimore
Population (2010): 620,961
63.7% Black/African-American, 29.6% White, 2.3% Asian, 2.1% two or more races, 1.8% some other race, 0.4% Native American/Alaskan Native, .04% Native Hawaiian/Other Pacific Islander

Washington
Population (2016 est.): 681,170
(Demographics 2015 est.) 48.3% Black/African-American, 44.1% White (36.1% non-Hispanic), 10.6% Hispanic (any race), 4.2% Asian, 2.7% two or more races, 0.6% Native American/Alaskan Native, 0.2% Native Hawaiian/Other Pacific Islander

Apropos of nothing, all of the above cities save New York, which is at its peak population now, reached their peak populations in the 1950 Census. Philadelphia and Washington lost residents through 2000 and have regained some since then (Washington, a good number from 2010 to the 2015 estimate); New York lost residents in the 1950s and 1970s but has gained them in every other decade since 1950; Boston lost residents through 1990 but has regained many since then; Baltimore has lost residents in every Census since 1950 but posted a slight gain in the 2015 estimate; Pittsburgh's population continues to fall.

FYI all of Pittsburgh's estimates 2011 to 2014 showed gains, but the 2015 drop put it EVER so slightly back in the negative column. Like 400 residents or something like that. All the gains were small as well, so falling population is quite an unfair assessment. Stagnant would be a better adjective to describe it. There are certain areas of the city gaining thousands of people, while ghettos continue to plummet leaving a near net zero. Downtown Pittsburghs population went from 3,600 to 14,400 in 5 years.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downtown_Pittsburgh

Allegheny County, core of the metro, has gained almost 10,000 people since the 2010 census (according to estimates).

[MB1562]

Originally Posted by speagles84

. Downtown Pittsburghs population went from 3,600 to 14,400 in 5 years.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downtown_Pittsburgh

That's some really impressive gains in such a short time period.

[speagles84]

Originally Posted by MB1562

That's some really impressive gains in such a short time period.

The Golden Triangle is booming. However, Homewood for example, has dropped from 20,000 or so people since the 90s to less than 6,000 now. So gains are cancelled out.

[trackstar13]

City Data Posts

Pittsburgh 380,000+ > Philadelphia 130,000+

Boom this issue is solved and you are now free to move about the discussion forum.

[bluecarebear]

Originally Posted by speagles84

FYI all of Pittsburgh's estimates 2011 to 2014 showed gains, but the 2015 drop put it EVER so slightly back in the negative column. Like 400 residents or something like that. All the gains were small as well, so falling population is quite an unfair assessment. Stagnant would be a better adjective to describe it. There are certain areas of the city gaining thousands of people, while ghettos continue to plummet leaving a near net zero. Downtown Pittsburghs population went from 3,600 to 14,400 in 5 years.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downtown_Pittsburgh

Allegheny County, core of the metro, has gained almost 10,000 people since the 2010 census (according to estimates).

Pittsburgh lost 1,374 between 2014 and 2015.
Census reports small drop in Pittsburgh's population | Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Allegheny County has been losing population and is expected to loose 4,000+ people this year.
http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...major-u-s.html

The slowdown of migration is partly caused by the walkable trendy neighborhoods becoming too high end for most millennials to afford.

[RightonWalnut]

^^Pittsburgh is actually gaining Millennials at modest gains. I believe the loss in population is from older generations dying, and maybe empty nesters/retirees moving to warmer climates.

Allegheny County has been gaining population if I'm not mistaken.

[bluecarebear]

Originally Posted by RightonWalnut

^^Pittsburgh is actually gaining Millennials at modest gains. I believe the loss in population is from older generations dying, and maybe empty nesters/retirees moving to warmer climates.

Allegheny County has been gaining population if I'm not mistaken.

The millennial migration has slowed considerably. There are other "it" towns. Trust me, I live here and I've heard the whole "we are losing residents to death" excuse and it's not the case at all. There are very few people in their 30s-50s that stay here. Most leave because of the lack of good paying jobs and high COL.

Allegheny County has lost residents since 2013.
Allegheny County loses population, Census figures indicate | TribLIVE