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Old 11-21-2022, 08:29 PM
 
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It's true that she raised two children to adulthood. I am not saying she would have killed the baby, and I know I was a little uptight as a new parent. Still, I think that grandparents should have the grace not to brush off current advice or the specific requests of their grandchildren's parents because "We didn't do that, and our kids were fine."
But a lot of information has changed because many babies weren't fine, they died. Some were just lucky that their babies survived into adulthood. It had nothing to do with their parenting skills.

Everytime we visit my MIL she complains about how restricting car seats are and how they should still be optional... Great that her children all survived without a car seat and were just fine "rolling around in the backseat" as she says, but there's a reason for today's car seat laws. She can complain about car seats all she wants to me, but my baby will be rear facing until at least 2 for his own safety.

She also thinks leaving a baby to nap on an adult bed is perfectly safe... I'm sure plenty of babies are fine taking such naps, just not a risk I'm wanting to take. Plenty have died rolling off beds or from positional asphyxiation...

And that's just two examples of outdated information she's talked about... I could go on and on about the things she says that are no longer recommended as safe.

The examples in the article might sound silly to some posters, but there are definitely grandparents that are following outdated advice that can be dangerous, if not deadly.
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Old 11-21-2022, 08:34 PM
 
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Rubbish

So called "outdated" life lessons passed down from generation to generation is what made this country the greatest in human history.
To imply otherwise flies in the face of logic, reasoning, and is a clear indication of trying to diminish (if not destroy) our past. Then all is left is to convince future generations our constitutional republic was horrible, and that we must, as Obama said, "fundamentally change America".

For all those emotional types, ask yourself this.
If the guy you are hoping is going to propose to you (because he supposedly loves you, as he claimed to try and get you hand in marriage) said, " I want to marry you, to then fundamentally change who you are as a person", would you still agree to marry him?

If not, then why not?
Did you comment on the wrong post? I can't figure out what any of this has to do with the linked article.

Sorry, but not wanting a dead baby isn't destroying America's past.

I don't even know what you're trying to say with your example. Following the latest research isn't going to "fundamentally" changing anyone. When you know better, you do better.
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Old 11-21-2022, 09:29 PM
 
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I can't really relate to that article, seems like a bunch of bs. I care for my grandson while my daughter works. I know his teachers, his school nurse, his dentist, his doctors and so on. Maybe my daughter and I have a similar lifestyle too, whatever that is. There may be one or two different discipline techniques, but I just follow her rules since being uniform is important. That article makes grandparents out to be complete dumbasses, how embarrassing, lol.
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Old 11-22-2022, 01:48 AM
 
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I guess one obvious remedy is to stop expecting grandparents to babysit. Kids stay out of harms way and grands get their freedom back!
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Old 11-22-2022, 06:44 AM
 
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But a lot of information has changed because many babies weren't fine, they died. Some were just lucky that their babies survived into adulthood. It had nothing to do with their parenting skills.

Everytime we visit my MIL she complains about how restricting car seats are and how they should still be optional... Great that her children all survived without a car seat and were just fine "rolling around in the backseat" as she says, but there's a reason for today's car seat laws. She can complain about car seats all she wants to me, but my baby will be rear facing until at least 2 for his own safety.

She also thinks leaving a baby to nap on an adult bed is perfectly safe... I'm sure plenty of babies are fine taking such naps, just not a risk I'm wanting to take. Plenty have died rolling off beds or from positional asphyxiation...

And that's just two examples of outdated information she's talked about... I could go on and on about the things she says that are no longer recommended as safe.

The examples in the article might sound silly to some posters, but there are definitely grandparents that are following outdated advice that can be dangerous, if not deadly.
Are those the causes of death for infants in years past?
Some of the infant mortality statistics are interesting.
The rate is much higher in the African American community and among uneducated mothers.
I also read although the IMR has greatly decreased over the past decades between 1989 and 2016 infant mortality from unintentional injuries increased by 62% while death from pneumonia and influenza fell.

Sudden infant death syndrome, the 4th leading cause of infant death in 2019, became the 3rd leading cause in 2020, while unintentional injuries, the 3rd leading cause in 2019, became the 4th leading cause in 2020.
Looking at 1950-1991 it seems the leading causes of infant death pneumonia, influenza, respiratory distress, prematurity, low birth weight, congenital anomalies and finally accidents/injuries.
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Old 11-22-2022, 06:46 AM
 
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I guess one obvious remedy is to stop expecting grandparents to babysit. Kids stay out of harms way and grands get their freedom back!
Yup, and usually for free. Go hire a nanny.
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Old 11-22-2022, 07:47 AM
 
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Don't worry. When today's parents become grandparents themselves, they'll be told that all the expert advice they followed is out of date and the best thing is to put babies to sleep on their heads or something. So much "expert" medical advice has come full circle since my kids were born that is seems to change with each new generation.
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Old 11-22-2022, 08:40 AM
 
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I can't really relate to that article, seems like a bunch of bs. I care for my grandson while my daughter works. I know his teachers, his school nurse, his dentist, his doctors and so on. Maybe my daughter and I have a similar lifestyle too, whatever that is. There may be one or two different discipline techniques, but I just follow her rules since being uniform is important. That article makes grandparents out to be complete dumbasses, how embarrassing, lol.
Good for you. This is why your situation works out. Believe me, there are many grandparents who aren't like you.

My mother-in-law and I would have had zero problems if she had been willing to follow my rules with the grandbabies. But since her attitude was "I raised two kids, and they're fine, and I want to do things my way with this baby," we had no end of conflict.


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But a lot of information has changed because many babies weren't fine, they died. Some were just lucky that their babies survived into adulthood. It had nothing to do with their parenting skills.

Everytime we visit my MIL she complains about how restricting car seats are and how they should still be optional... Great that her children all survived without a car seat and were just fine "rolling around in the backseat" as she says, but there's a reason for today's car seat laws. She can complain about car seats all she wants to me, but my baby will be rear facing until at least 2 for his own safety.

She also thinks leaving a baby to nap on an adult bed is perfectly safe... I'm sure plenty of babies are fine taking such naps, just not a risk I'm wanting to take. Plenty have died rolling off beds or from positional asphyxiation...

And that's just two examples of outdated information she's talked about... I could go on and on about the things she says that are no longer recommended as safe.

The examples in the article might sound silly to some posters, but there are definitely grandparents that are following outdated advice that can be dangerous, if not deadly.
Agreed. I've heard from other parents that improper use of carseats has been an issue with grandparents.

But since you mention a baby sleeping on the bed, we have friends who lost a baby this way at about five months. It was not their first child, it was the fifth. The mother didn't "believe in" cribs and the babies always slept in the bed with them or on the bed for a nap. This one time, the child squirmed off the bed, fell down between the mattress and a dresser, and suffocated. It was a horrible tragedy and entirely preventable. "We've always done it this way and it's always been fine"...until it isn't.
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Old 11-22-2022, 09:02 AM
 
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lol - my grandson just turned 30, and I'm pretty sure he puts whiskey on his gums all by himself...
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Old 11-22-2022, 09:17 AM
 
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Rubbish

So called "outdated" life lessons passed down from generation to generation is what made this country the greatest in human history.
To imply otherwise flies in the face of logic, reasoning, and is a clear indication of trying to diminish (if not destroy) our past. Then all is left is to convince future generations our constitutional republic was horrible, and that we must, as Obama said, "fundamentally change America".

For all those emotional types, ask yourself this.
If the guy you are hoping is going to propose to you (because he supposedly loves you, as he claimed to try and get you hand in marriage) said, " I want to marry you, to then fundamentally change who you are as a person", would you still agree to marry him?

If not, then why not?
This isn't the politics forum. Can you stay on topic please?
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