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At what point does a parent's individual beliefs cross over the line into child abuse? Should there be any limits at all to what concepts or beliefs a parent can attempt to pass down?
Ummm, does the state or federal government own my children? Am I, as a parent, simply the oven these children were baked in and the caregiver for a time until fired by said government because I dared rub my way of thinking onto those pitifully empty slates called their minds?
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Originally Posted by CSD610
Just because you make it illegal to have your own original thoughts and wish to pass along your thoughts and feelings to your children does not mean it will ever be enforced. How do you enforce what humans think, feel and say to anyone?
It's called POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, and it happens all the time. NO ONE is allowed to express any kind of opinion deviant of the norm that has been determined by certain individuals...wait, they AREN'T individuals, they're clones, or replicas, or something else, but certainly NOT individuals, but I digress... . Look at all those people who are forced to apologize publically for voicing an opinion or not being Politically Correct. Look at how climbed on people are right here on CD for not complying to the general consensus. When someone voices an alternative opinion other than the norm, we may as well be tarred and feathered.
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Originally Posted by Oleg Bach
At this point in time there is an effort to create submissive and compliant adults..and they start this process in the schools when the kids are very young...The new ideology is to create a society that does not question authority...within 20 years we will have millions of young adults who will NEVER question authority. Authorship over your own life..dreams of being something that you want will be replaced by the dreams of others and what THEY want.
Ya ya. I was just continuing from where you left off.
Yup. My ideal real world would include no religion. But I am never going to get that!
Nope, but it's interesting to theorize. I would say that there's an awful lot of junk we fill kids' heads with that just passes on the same ole same ole.
We're all guilty of it though. I've been thinking lately what with all the politics going on if we can keep an open mind enough to not indoctrinate our daughter into our way of thinking just because.
Seems that you are caught up in that 70s style ideology.
Nice. A smart, strong woman states her beliefs and you tell her she's "caught up in that 70's style ideology". Whatever.
No. I do not believe there should be legal limits on passing down ideology. Number one it would be, thankfully, unconstitutional and an infringement on my rights as a citizen of the United States.
Number two I am scared right out of my socks that the decisions on those legal limits would be decided by a group of chest-thumping, right-denying, religion-fanatic, thought-controlling, minority-hating, denier-of-human-rights white males who thought they knew what was best for me. Forget that noise. I'm hanging with Frederick Douglass.
Nice. A smart, strong woman expresses her opinion and you tell her she's "caught up in that 70's style ideology." What-evah.
No. I do not believe there should be legal limits on passing down ideology. Number one it would be, thankfully, unconstitutional and an infringement on my rights as a citizen of the United States.
Number two I am scared right out of my socks that the decisions on those legal limits would be decided by a group of chest-thumping, right-denying, religion-fanatic, thought-controlling, minority-hating, denier-of-human-rights white males who thought they knew what was best for me. Forget that noise. I'm hanging with Frederick Douglass.
I was raised Catholic and attended Catholic schools. I'm no longer a practicing Catholic, for a variety of reasons I won't get into here.
However I don't think I ever heard anyone speak of homosexuality once in any service. I'm not saying it never happens in any church, but my experience with churches in the area I live in, would be that it happens infrequently. So it would be a bit different to compare hearing an ordinary Sunday homily to anti-gay therapy.
Some of the gay people I grew up with actually are hoping the church will change their stance in their lifetime...probably won't happen very soon, but they can hope.
Without signs of physical abuse, the parents lost custody of their children. Right, or wrong? These parents were passing on their ideology regarding race, and the courts intervened. I am not convinced they were unloving or strictly unfit to parent, yet I hate the message they were trying to pass down. They inflicted a heavy burden on their children by giving them names that most people found appalling, and pretty much guaranteed they would not be able to have a normal childhood.
Number two I am scared right out of my socks that the decisions on those legal limits would be decided by a group of chest-thumping, right-denying, religion-fanatic, thought-controlling, minority-hating, denier-of-human-rights white males who thought they knew what was best for me. Forget that noise. I'm hanging with Frederick Douglass.
Wait a minute...
It's the left that is so much for controlling the masses and government control of everything from TV shows to banning milk from schools, etc..
LOL, you must not ever read on AOL. They bought Huffington Post, owned by Arianna Huffington with one stipulation: That she does not turn it into a left wing agenda because she is so painfully leftist. Trouble is, she has. Now AOL news is FULL of blogs like: '6 Things To NEVER Say To Your Child', 'How To Raise Chilren In Ten Easy Steps', '10 Ways To Raise Your Daughter Like a Boy', '15 Ways To Raise Your Son Like a Girl', 'Never Say This To Your Daughter', etc., etc., etc., etc., etc..
Look at that group Million Moms. THEY aren't "right", they are far off the edge of left, and they try to control EVERYTHING.
It's the left that pushes the agenda of Political Correctness to a new level every time we turn around. It's not ok to say ANYTHING anymore unless they approve, and it's always the left who are the first to cry about something not being fair.
I understand this isn't the political forum, but since you brought it up...
Without signs of physical abuse, the parents lost custody of their children. Right, or wrong? These parents were passing on their ideology regarding race, and the courts intervened. I am not convinced they were unloving or strictly unfit to parent, yet I hate the message they were trying to pass down. They inflicted a heavy burden on their children by giving them names that most people found appalling, and pretty much guaranteed they would not be able to have a normal childhood.
Were the courts correct?
No, I don't think the courts were correct. I am very much against removing kids from their homes unless there's an absolute clear cut case of abuse and/or neglect. Although this is obviously abhorrent and stupid, I'm not sure that it's either of the above. But there's no doubt the kids are going to pay a high price either way. You can't take kids away because their parents are idiots, though. They have a right to their parents, dumbasses or not.
You can't stop it, but it breaks my heart anyway. Same with those Prussian Blue kids who's parents paraded them about singing White Supremacist crap. Same with anybody who's kids are taught how to be suicide bombers. Same with anybody who's kids are taught that they're going straight to hell if they're gay.
I'm sure there are plenty of people - actually I know there are - who are aghast at what we choose to teach our child. You can't have freedom on one side without it on the other.
To be fair the OP was talking about extremist views.
Right, but who gets to define "extremist"?
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