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Old 03-01-2012, 11:02 AM
 
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This man is absolutely correct in his action. Child porn is child porn. Even if he wasnt a deputy he should have done that anyway. You cant let someone be a pedophile, you have to take measures to ensure the safety of children. Good for this dad.
Dave dear pedophilia is a mental condition that isn't going to go away by turning them in .
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Old 03-01-2012, 11:14 AM
 
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I agree that the deputy's son is not necessarily a pedophile. That's a term that is thrown around a lot yet frequently misunderstood. Being sexually attracted to post-pubescent teenagers is not pedophilia. I do not condone what this young man did, and the fact that he had a folder labeled "13 to 15" sounds ooky to say the least. Sexting with girls from your own school would be one thing--inappropriate and possibly worthy of punishment, IMO, but probably not worthy of being a lifelong registered sex offender. However, if these pics are from other sources and this fellow has a demonstrated desire to track down naked pictures of young teens, then that is exploitative child porn and deserves a much harsher punishment.
I agree with this too.
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Old 03-01-2012, 11:15 AM
 
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Dave dear pedophilia is a mental condition that isn't going to go away by turning them in .
Thank you, i am well aware that it is a mental disorder, i actually have a DSM IV on my book shelf right now. And I would rather his father turn him in so that he can be properly evaluated to ensure that it is merely age appropriate attraction and not inappropriate attraction. I admit that he could just be attracted to the girls at school in his age group but there was a folder in his phone that was locked and marked 13-15. He needs to talk to a dr. or a counselor. Prison is most likely not the right place for him anyway, but his father was absolutely correct in taking action and unless he consented to treatment, as an adult he couldnt do anything to him unless he reported it to the police.
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Old 03-01-2012, 11:15 AM
 
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But is it worth it if the cost is at him being labeled a sex offender for life when this is something that might alter as he gets older? I mean when i was 18 i liked a 16 year old boy....boy now i wouldn't because there would be an emotional along with maturity imbalance.
Tough question...

When it comes to THIS case, I would have to defer to the judgement of the parent that turned him in. I don't think a father is dragging his kid down to the station and having him booked with all the associated consequences if this was a situation where he had some naked pics of some 15 year old girls from his school on his phone. I have to believe it was a little 'wierder' than that.

Backing out of this instance, I do think it is ridiculous the way we go around slapping the sex offender label on people for things like sharing cell phone pics, especially when there are two minors involved or a 16 year old and an 18 year old for instance. I don't think an 18 year old guy who just happens to have a naked pic of his 16 year old girlfriend on his phone is a sex offender. I also don't think he is a "distributor of child porn" if he sends that pic to some of his buddies.

Basically the issue becomes one of context. The law only deals in black and white and drawing firm lines on things, life tends to be gray and open to interpretation. I think our laws have not quite caught up to our reality in terms of these sorts of things.

Heck, I possessed "child porn" at one point. A girl in my high school took a polaroid pic of herself with her top and bra off. The picture went to her boyfriend and when they broke up he passed it around the lockerroom. I was 17, the girl in the pic was 16, her boyfriend was 18 at the time. This wasn't an entirely uncommon thing to see random pics like that occasionally floating around. Nothing ever came of it and if we were caught looking at it, the picture would have been taken and we all would have been punished in school.

Now, she would have taken the pic on her cellphone and sent it to her boyfriend. He then would have forwarded the pic to everyone else to see it. If someone found out the pic was out there, all they would need is to get the cellphone records and suddenly she would be charged with producing child porn, the boyfriend would be charged with possessing and distributing it and everyone who had it sent to them would be charged with possession.
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Old 03-01-2012, 11:17 AM
 
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Thank you, i am well aware that it is a mental disorder, i actually have a DSM IV on my book shelf right now. And I would rather his father turn him in so that he can be properly evaluated to ensure that it is merely age appropriate attraction and not inappropriate attraction. I admit that he could just be attracted to the girls at school in his age group but there was a folder in his phone that was locked and marked 13-15. He needs to talk to a dr. or a counselor. Prison is most likely not the right place for him anyway, but his father was absolutely correct in taking action and unless he consented to treatment, as an adult he couldnt do anything to him unless he reported it to the police.
Yes but many state will require him to now register to be a lifetime sex offender. That's the thing that worries me in all of this.
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Old 03-01-2012, 11:20 AM
 
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Tough question...

When it comes to THIS case, I would have to defer to the judgement of the parent that turned him in. I don't think a father is dragging his kid down to the station and having him booked with all the associated consequences if this was a situation where he had some naked pics of some 15 year old girls from his school on his phone. I have to believe it was a little 'wierder' than that.

Backing out of this instance, I do think it is ridiculous the way we go around slapping the sex offender label on people for things like sharing cell phone pics, especially when there are two minors involved or a 16 year old and an 18 year old for instance. I don't think an 18 year old guy who just happens to have a naked pic of his 16 year old girlfriend on his phone is a sex offender. I also don't think he is a "distributor of child porn" if he sends that pic to some of his buddies.

Basically the issue becomes one of context. The law only deals in black and white and drawing firm lines on things, life tends to be gray and open to interpretation. I think our laws have not quite caught up to our reality in terms of these sorts of things.

Heck, I possessed "child porn" at one point. A girl in my high school took a polaroid pic of herself with her top and bra off. The picture went to her boyfriend and when they broke up he passed it around the lockerroom. I was 17, the girl in the pic was 16, her boyfriend was 18 at the time. This wasn't an entirely uncommon thing to see random pics like that occasionally floating around. Nothing ever came of it and if we were caught looking at it, the picture would have been taken and we all would have been punished in school.

Now, she would have taken the pic on her cellphone and sent it to her boyfriend. He then would have forwarded the pic to everyone else to see it. If someone found out the pic was out there, all they would need is to get the cellphone records and suddenly she would be charged with producing child porn, the boyfriend would be charged with possessing and distributing it and everyone who had it sent to them would be charged with possession.
Goat sometimes people just react without thinking as well. Or he could be one of those the "laws the law types". I mean when i went to school i worked with a girl who's dad was a state trooper and he turned her in for having a joint in his house. That's why i don't like forming views on little articles like this because they give the barest amount of details.
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Old 03-01-2012, 11:24 AM
 
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He's 18...and looking at girls 13-15...many of whom can look a lot older.....I wouldn't call him a pedophile...just a curious young man with a piece of sh#t for a father.
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Old 03-01-2012, 11:24 AM
 
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Yes but many state will require him to now register to be a lifetime sex offender. That's the thing that worries me in all of this.
The fact that everything gets classified as a sex offender is a little off putting for a lot of things because there are a lot of cases when a person is pegged an offender for something that really isnt a sex crime. But his father is still correct. Sometimes you have to take action even if the consequences are not what you would want. Before he has a trial or anything he should be evaluated by a psychiatrist and the court should take the determination into consideration before they do anything. If it really is innocent then the court should be aware of that fact.
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Old 03-01-2012, 11:28 AM
 
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The fact that everything gets classified as a sex offender is a little off putting for a lot of things because there are a lot of cases when a person is pegged an offender for something that really isnt a sex crime. But his father is still correct. Sometimes you have to take action even if the consequences are not what you would want. Before he has a trial or anything he should be evaluated by a psychiatrist and the court should take the determination into consideration before they do anything. If it really is innocent then the court should be aware of that fact.
The issue is it's not hard to fool a therapist. Hell my brother did with his issues for years. Very few of them are incredibly perceptive enough to do that. Like i said personally i could not turn my family in for stuff, unless it was a terrible crime.
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Old 03-01-2012, 11:30 AM
 
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He's 18...and looking at girls 13-15...many of whom can look a lot older.....I wouldn't call him a pedophile...just a curious young man with a piece of sh#t for a father.
Eh i would not say he is **** really as we don't know his line of thinking. I think if it's just a "the laws and laws" mentality it is a bit misguided. But he might also believe that this will get his son help.
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