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Old 06-22-2010, 08:34 PM
 
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Hey, I'm just giving the facts. Do you deny that these were living human beings? Do you deny that their bodies have been filleted and preserved for the enjoyment of Americans? Judgemental, moi? How about merely factual?
Facts? What facts? That these were human beings? Yes, that is true.

Beyond that, you and Tones have been engaging in a Fundie Tent Revival here. What you've both been screaming about - in the complete absence of verifiable facts - is that these bodies are those of crucified Tibetan monks, etc.

THAT is the hyperbole and grand assumptions you've been engaging in.
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Old 06-22-2010, 08:45 PM
 
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i went once to the body expediction theres human skin, human figures standing up with the muscle structure literally real babys on display from the first stage of development to the last, repruductive organs. lol would not want to be locked in there at night creepy feeling there watching you if you feel a nibble on your ear be prepared to be eaten by a dead smelly corpse
worse than geting eating by a old man with no teeth!!!!!
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Old 06-22-2010, 09:00 PM
 
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Facts? What facts? That these were human beings? Yes, that is true.

Beyond that, you and Tones have been engaging in a Fundie Tent Revival here. What you've both been screaming about - in the complete absence of verifiable facts - is that these bodies are those of crucified Tibetan monks, etc.

THAT is the hyperbole and grand assumptions you've been engaging in.
Who's screaming? I don't see caps in here

As for the fundie shiit, well - show me where I've been bible beating.
The Stossel story did say that these people were possibly political prisoners as well anything else that could get you executed in China. Again - watch the news reports made about this exhibit.
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Old 06-22-2010, 09:03 PM
 
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Who's screaming? I don't see caps in here

As for the fundie shiit, well - show me where I've been bible beating.
The Stossel story did say that these people were possibly political prisoners as well anything else that could get you executed in China. Again - watch the news reports made about this exhibit.
Do you make all your decisions based on POSSIBLY?

By the way, I have watched news reports. I have read everything I can get my hands on. And guess what? NO FACTS. Just possibilities. Speculation. Questions. Accusations.
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Old 06-23-2010, 05:23 AM
 
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Here are some facts:
1. The 'bodies' display contains real human bodies that have been mutilated, and disemboweled in
a preserved state for the sake of info-tainement. (DING........fact)
2. The 'bodies' on display appear to have been in prime health (prior to death). (DING........fact)
3. The 'bodies' appear to be of Asian origin. (DING........fact)
4. There are telltale holes over the hearts of some of the 'bodies'. (A sign of execution). (DING........fact)
5. Firing Squad is a form of execution still used by China. (DING........fact)
6. China executes political prisoners. (Tibetan monks being in that group.) (DING........fact)
7. The purveyors of this display have so much as admitted in disclaimers that the source of the bodies came from the penal system in China. (DING........fact --- see sources below for verification)

While an average Joe would have a hard time producting a certificate validating the case these bodies were in-fact aquired by nefarious means -- the above points are evidence that builds the case.

This controversy is not something that was just conjured up on city-data message boards. It is well documented by many sources.
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