08-26-2007, 10:38 PM
Location: Richmond
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I grew up in Northern Virginia (I was born in 1979) and I experienced a place that while "different" than other areas of Virginia, was not so different that it felt like another state.
My teachers had southern accents and I grew up with a Virginia accent and we even took the "Civil War" seriously. When I was teenager I noticed that things were growing rapidly (about 1994 and on) my area had changed almost overnight with so many new people moving in. I grew up near Leesburg and then lived in Countryside-Sterling area then way out to Philmont near Middleburg which was a lot more like "the real Virginia" in how people acted and spoke.
I currently live in Richmond. This area up til about Stafford feels much like how Virginia and the South feel to me.
Now I visit NOVA and it really is another place. The people I talk to there say they don't want to have anything to do with Virginia- they are from "Northern Virginia". When I was growing up the sentiment was they were still very much Virginians, but the area was more transient and had people from all over
With the recent election being the way it was with NOVA being more liberal and the rest of Virginia being more for Bush, it really seems Northern Virginia wants nothing to do with us.
What do y'all think?
08-27-2007, 02:00 AM
Location: Live in VA, Work in MD, Play in DC
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I grew up in Northern Virginia (I was born in 1979) and I experienced a place that while "different" than other areas of Virginia, was not so different that it felt like another state.
My teachers had southern accents and I grew up with a Virginia accent and we even took the "Civil War" seriously. When I was teenager I noticed that things were growing rapidly (about 1994 and on) my area had changed almost overnight with so many new people moving in. I grew up near Leesburg and then lived in Countryside-Sterling area then way out to Philmont near Middleburg which was a lot more like "the real Virginia" in how people acted and spoke.
I currently live in Richmond. This area up til about Stafford feels much like how Virginia and the South feel to me.
Now I visit NOVA and it really is another place. The people I talk to there say they don't want to have anything to do with Virginia- they are from "Northern Virginia". When I was growing up the sentiment was they were still very much Virginians, but the area was more transient and had people from all over
With the recent election being the way it was with NOVA being more liberal and the rest of Virginia being more for Bush, it really seems Northern Virginia wants nothing to do with us.
What do y'all think?
I don't think this "split" between Northern Virginia and the rest of Virginia is getting worse because of cultural differences per se.
I think it has more to do with the fact that so much of Virginia's revenues comes from Northern Virginia (almost half), but Northern Virginia gets so little in return for it. Many schools have become overcrowded and the roads have become horrible for traffic because of such little or delayed funding from the state government in Richmond.
I know you talked about the horrible traffic in Northern Virginia in the past, but what can you do if your state government doesn't want to help fund new roads or public projects? This transportation package that was just passed is basically making Northern Virginia pay extra on top of what they are already paying.
I do agree that the wealth should be spread and benefit all of Virginia, but can't the state realize that Northern Virginia is a very vital part of the state and provide some type of relief? A healthy Virginia needs a healthy Northern Virginia.
08-27-2007, 02:15 AM
Location: Richmond
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I know that most people I have talked to resent Richmond because thats where taxes go
But as far as Northern Virginia creating most of the wealth- I would agree. But some people in Northern Virginia do view other parts of Virginia as backward or far behind them socio economically, and that simply isn't true.
Most of Virginia is not as rich as NOVA but it is not all that far behind.
Even Southwest Virginia isn't;without merit.
But Richmond and the surrounding areas are almost as rich as Northern Virginia. Not quite as developed. Also, Hampton Roads area is really a clone of NOVA in the Southeast part of the state.
08-27-2007, 03:22 AM
Location: Live in VA, Work in MD, Play in DC
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I know that most people I have talked to resent Richmond because thats where taxes go
But as far as Northern Virginia creating most of the wealth- I would agree.
Then why isn't there more funding to help Northern Virginia to help with all of it's problems without making Northern Virginia pay even more?
Paying 400% for needed public works to get 100% funding would hurt anyone. A vibrant, bustling NoVa only helps other Virginians, so why squeeze it?
08-27-2007, 05:30 AM
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Assuming that current economic trends persist, NoVa is always going to be picking up the tab for a good part of the rest of the state. I don't see much problem in that. But it would be nice if the rest of the state could muster up at least a little more respect for the needs of NoVa and the other economicaly advanced areas that are paying the bulk of the freight.
And I think that's in some sense the other side of the coin that the OP refers to. That old-boy, Old South ethos -- drawn from days of Jim Crow, mint juleps, and no air-conditioning -- has indeed been replaced in NoVa (and elsewhere in the state to varying degrees) by a more open, more progressive, more modern world view. You'd be hard-pressed these days to find folks in NoVa who still feel any sense of personal loss or insult over the outcome of the Civil War. That was hardly the case here in the 1950's. That was hardly the case here outside the Beltway in the 1970's. It wasn't a matter of invasion that brought this change about -- it was far more a matter of erosion on the one hand, and just plain money on the other -- but an awful lot of down-state conservatives (Republicans, these days) still seem indignant over these burgeoning enclaves of Yankee imperialism and ingenuity that have come to sully all that the Old Dominion for them once stood for. And with a wink to the old boys back home who vote for them year after year, these folks are still bent on making the occupiers pay.
To them, I'd say that the War ended a hundred and forty years ago. None of us alive today had a dog in that fight. When are you going to let it drop and start working with your neighbors instead of resenting them?
08-27-2007, 05:36 AM
Location: Richmond
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Assuming that current economic trends persist, NoVa is always going to be picking up the tab for a good part of the rest of the state. I don't see much problem in that. But it would be nice if the rest of the state could muster up at least a little more respect for the needs of NoVa and the other economicaly advanced areas that are paying the bulk of the freight.
And I think that's in some sense the other side of the coin that the OP refers to. That old-boy, Old South ethos -- drawn from days of Jim Crow, mint juleps, and no air-conditioning -- has indeed been replaced in NoVa (and elsewhere in the state to varying degrees) by a more open, more progressive, more modern world view. You'd be hard-pressed these days to find folks in NoVa who still feel any sense of personal loss or insult over the outcome of the Civil War. That was hardly the case here in the 1950's. That was hardly the case here outside the Beltway in the 1970's. It wasn't a matter of invasion that brought this change about -- it was far more a matter of erosion on the one hand, and just plain money on the other -- but an awful lot of down-state conservatives (Republicans, these days) still seem indignant over these burgeoning enclaves of Yankee imperialism and ingenuity that have come to sully all that the Old Dominion for them once stood for. And with a wink to the old boys back home who vote for them year after year, these folks are still bent on making the occupiers pay.
To them, I'd say that the War ended a hundred and forty years ago. None of us alive today had a dog in that fight. When are you going to let it drop and start working with your neighbors instead of resenting them?
But besides taxes, what is it that Northern Virginians dislike about the rest of the state? What is so wrong about being a Virginian, and not "Northern" Virginian?
Also, a person from NOVA will get enraged if an outsider suggests in anyway shape or form that they are "Southern". That just seems silly and pathetic to me.
What is wrong with being Southern? I take that as a compliment. It means you have manners, probably.
I would never want to be associated with the Northeast, and I realize that Virginia is now increasingly on the cusp between North and South (and North Carolina is starting to feel it too) but I just don't get this "I'm not from Virginia, I'm from NOVA" bit.
The Northeast to me doesn't represent progress at all. It represents loud and brash and tacky.
08-27-2007, 09:06 AM
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That's a stumper, alright. I can't think of any reason why one group might have issues with another for merely stealing their money while calling them loud, brash, tacky, and generally lacking in manners. Sounds like another case of good old Southern Hospitality to me...
08-27-2007, 09:12 AM
Location: Arlington, VA
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As a life-long resident of NoVA, I've always considered NoVA to be a separate state, or really just Fairfax and Arlington counties. Now I'd have to draw the line somewhere around the Occuquan (sp?) river or maybe even Fredericksburg.
I say it's a different state because when I went to school in central VA I experienced a significant culture shock. They had a totally different way of life and population compostion down there. Not that it was exactly bad, I think it was good for me to spend four years there to give me perspective.
08-27-2007, 12:33 PM
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"....Also, a person from NOVA will get enraged if an outsider suggests in anyway shape or form that they are "Southern". That just seems silly and pathetic to me.
What is wrong with being Southern? I take that as a compliment. It means you have manners, probably."
I think that's because the vast majority of people in NOVA are from elsewhere...and they usually cling to their regional identities forever, or at least for a very long time. I've been in NOVA all my life and don't mind being called "southern"...I've been called a lot worse!
But, to me "southern" often conjurs provincialism. Example: I used to work with a guy that married a gal that lived in Warrenton and even after 30 years of living there, he never felt welcome. He said that the locals never let him forget that he's a "come-here"...and always will be.
08-27-2007, 12:40 PM
Location: Arlington, VA
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I think that's because the vast majority of people in NOVA are from elsewhere...and they usually cling to their regional identities forever, or at least for a very long time.
Yeah your post makes a lot of sense; many people who live in NoVA came from either another part of the US or another country altogether. It's tough to resist the extremely stable job market and high salaries. So it's natural to assume NoVA would develop a different personality then the rest of VA.
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Most Common Occupations - Law enforcement workers including supervisors (%)
Most Common Occupations - Food preparation and serving related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Building and grounds cleaning and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Personal care and service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and office occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)