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Old 02-20-2016, 04:54 PM
 
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If you are going to compare salaries, you ALSO need to compare the cost of living in each area starting with property taxes.

Do you REALLY want to pay the property taxes Mass. residents do?
I'd pay more taxes for better schools.
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Old 02-20-2016, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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thanks for the fresh links. did you read them, or have anything to elaborate from them?
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Old 02-21-2016, 05:53 AM
 
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Do you have a link to an article or study that refutes the Cone study or the Washington Post?
Another poster showed the bias at Cone.

I don't NEED any other material to refute the Wash Post.

Being FROM D.C., I am FULLY aware of the very left leaning bias it has.
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Old 02-21-2016, 05:55 AM
 
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Running our public schools into the ground hardly constitutes cleaning up.
Sometimes it is better to tear down an old building and start from scratch, then trying to fix it up.
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Old 02-21-2016, 05:58 AM
 
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This is the NC board, not the NY board.
Maybe you should have read the article BEFORE making your self look foolish!



"The New York State data is echoed nationally. A 2013 study by Dan Goldhaber and Joe Walch at the University of Washington found rising test scores for new teachers. Another, as-yet-unpublished Stanford study confirms that the SAT and ACT scores of a typical new teacher had declined to the 42nd percentile in 2000 — a middling figure, not a bottom one. By 2008, those average scores had risen 6 percentage points, to the 48th percentile.
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Old 02-21-2016, 06:00 AM
 
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I'd pay more taxes for better schools.

Are you willing to pay the SAME amount Mass does?

You are FREE to send them a check as often as you wish.

What is stopping you?
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Old 02-21-2016, 06:18 AM
 
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Average teacher pay in the state of NC is higher than average worker pay in NC.

North Carolina - May 2014 OES State Occupational Employment and Wage Estimates

Why do you believe that teachers should be paid more than the average worker in NC? Especially when those teachers get summers off, spring break, and Christmas break?
Most teachers with a four year degree can make more money with easier jobs in corporate America. I have taught at all three levels (HS, CC and Univ) and teaching K-12 isn't for the faint of heart. The first year is almost unbearable with respect to meeting administrative requirements, attaining certifications, delusional parents/guardians, lesson planning, etc. It is essentially a 12-18 hour day, not to mention the less than stellar pay for equivalent education and experience in corp America. Those breaks are essentially breathers since you rarely have any sick time or vacation when school is in session. A school day can be mad house at times, most parents can barely handle their kids 3-4 hours a day, much less trying to educate them 6-8 hours a day...it's a tough job.

It's quite simple, you have to pay for quality and experience like any other job.
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Old 02-21-2016, 07:04 AM
 
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Maybe you should have read the article BEFORE making your self look foolish!



"The New York State data is echoed nationally. A 2013 study by Dan Goldhaber and Joe Walch at the University of Washington found rising test scores for new teachers. Another, as-yet-unpublished Stanford study confirms that the SAT and ACT scores of a typical new teacher had declined to the 42nd percentile in 2000 — a middling figure, not a bottom one. By 2008, those average scores had risen 6 percentage points, to the 48th percentile.
I'm not the fool here.
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Old 02-21-2016, 07:06 AM
 
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Sometimes it is better to tear down an old building and start from scratch, then trying to fix it up.
Perhaps, but I have seen no evidence of rebuilding from this GA, only demolition.
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Old 02-21-2016, 09:14 AM
 
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I'm not the fool here.
Really?

YOU are the one who came back with, "This is the NC board, not the NY board.",

when the article CLEARLY states it is NATIONWIDE NOT just NY.
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