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There are likely factors such as not needing a vehicle or it makes things worse, smaller city footprint, very good to decent walkability, the percentage of college students and immigrants/refugees, among other things.
I'm not sure about today, as I've been out of the workforce for a while (retired), but in the past, when Kodak and Xerox were going strong, each with multiple locations around the Rochester area, I don't see how you couldn't be without a car, if you worked for them, as they frequently shifted employees back and forth between those locations.
I'm not sure about today, as I've been out of the workforce for a while (retired), but in the past, when Kodak and Xerox were going strong, each with multiple locations around the Rochester area, I don't see how you couldn't be without a car, if you worked for them, as they frequently shifted employees back and forth between those locations.
Perhaps many would walk to work, if possible and depending on the location. A lot of this could be due to people that work at city colleges/universities and even medical facilities for the Upstate cities, among other factors.
Perhaps many would walk to work, if possible and depending on the location. A lot of this could be due to people that work at city colleges/universities and even medical facilities for the Upstate cities, among other factors.
I understand what you're saying, but again, in my personal experience, as well as the experiences of a couple of my friends, I/they were transferred between our job locations, on a regular basis. Therefore while we MAY have worked at a location that was available by public transportation, that didn't mean we spent all of our time there. We were moved back and forth between our respective employer's sites, on a random basis.
And also consider that both Kodak, and especially Xerox, had sites "out in the burbs", Kodak, with their Elmgrove Road facility, and Xerox, with their Webster site. There was not, to the best of my knowledge, what you could describe as "regular" bus service to these locations.
I understand what you're saying, but again, in my personal experience, as well as the experiences of a couple of my friends, I/they were transferred between our job locations, on a regular basis. Therefore while we MAY have worked at a location that was available by public transportation, that didn't mean we spent all of our time there. We were moved back and forth between our respective employer's sites, on a random basis.
And also consider that both Kodak, and especially Xerox, had sites "out in the burbs", Kodak, with their Elmgrove Road facility, and Xerox, with their Webster site. There was not, to the best of my knowledge, what you could describe as "regular" bus service to these locations.
Keep in mind that this is in regards to the city propers. So, a lot of this is likely due to say people that work at say U of R or colleges/universities in the cities listed.
Some of this could be due to immigrant/refugee families. Some of this may be due to college students. So, there are other factors to consider with the list and others posted.
Buffalo, Rochester, and Syracuse all have some of the basic starting elements for making a decent public transit rail system (with Buffalo actually having an operating one). It'd be good if the new administration makes a favorable turn towards funding. Lord knows NYS sends more than its fair share of tax revenue to the federal government and hasn't gotten anything close to the corresponding level of federal spending and investment in return to the vast majority of other states.
Buffalo, Rochester, and Syracuse all have some of the basic starting elements for making a decent public transit rail system (with Buffalo actually having an operating one). It'd be good if the new administration makes a favorable turn towards funding. Lord knows NYS sends more than its fair share of tax revenue to the federal government and hasn't gotten anything close to the corresponding level of federal spending and investment in return to the vast majority of other states.
Rochester HAD one. It originated in the middle of the city, and ran eastward. I didn't live here at the time, but I seem to recall that it ran out as far as Fairport. However, it was abandoned in the mid 1950s, and it's path was turned into I490....
Rochester HAD one. It originated in the middle of the city, and ran eastward. I didn't live here at the time, but I seem to recall that it ran out as far as Fairport. However, it was abandoned in the mid 1950s, and it's path was turned into I490....
So did Syracuse! They don't have such now, but they both have some of the infrastructure in regards to ROW in place still if not tracks nor rolling stock. It'll be a pretty large investment to get them back up and running though it likely wouldn't be as massive as completely starting from scratch.
One thing to note is that FRA reforms now allow for rolling stock that's a lot lighter (so more efficient, generally faster, and have less wear on brakes and track) and closer to European norms such that there is less need for alteration to make them allowed to operate in the US.
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Syracuse used to have OnTrack, which was a heavy rail one line train route. It was the smallest city to have a transit route and it ran from 1994 to 2008.
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