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Old 03-05-2021, 10:36 PM
 
Location: Manhattan
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Woah.

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs...51aZ4tDM-KYUpk

Over the last 30 years at St. John’s Episcopal Hospital in Far Rockaway, nurse Iona Folks has treated hundreds and helped saved countless lives. Now, she believes that the lives of those who live in the community are at stake.

A proposal backed by the New York State Department of Health would slash the number of beds at St. John’s Episcopal Hospital

Mayor Bill de Blasio called the proposal “ ridiculous” during a press conference on Monday.

According to city data, the racial demographics of the neighborhood is nearly 45% African American, and almost 25% Hispanic or Latino

The plan to reduce beds at the hospital would mean that 1,000 employees would have to be let go

“If we were not here, people will die, and decreasing to 15 beds is just asking people to die,” said Folks.

She's not the only one sounding the alarm on a proposal backed by the New York State Department Health to slash the number of beds at the hospital from more than 250 to just 15.
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Old 03-06-2021, 04:18 AM
 
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I did not hear any one cry foul when the doors to Rockaways Peninsula Hospital...............were shuttered a few short years back.

Now they Worry ?
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Old 03-06-2021, 05:56 AM
 
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Lots of things can be distorted too from the high points of covid .

Where we were treated at northwell LIJ rooms that were single rooms were doubled up to hold 2 beds .

Some bigger rooms held up to 4 beds and all were full.

We a were hospitalized in December while the thanksgiving - Christmas peak was happening....

Now with things ramping down they likely don’t need anywhere near the beds they did ...
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Old 03-06-2021, 06:12 AM
 
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Everything you need to know is right here:

"As the only hospital on the peninsula, St. John’s serves a population of more than 130,000 people, with 17 nursing facilities in the area — with 90 percent of patients on Medicaid or Medicare, sources pointed out."

https://nypost.com/2021/03/03/rockaw...icro-hospital/

Basically same thing that in whole or part killed Saint Vincent's, Mary Immaculate, St. Clare's, Mother Cabrini, Saint Vincent's of Richmond (Staten Island), St. John's Queens Hospital, Long Island College Hospital, and others not just in New York City but all over country.

Hospitals of last resort, charity hospitals, or whatever you want to call a place that serve mostly poor or totally busted and thus rely upon Medicare and Medicaid mostly for funding just cannot survive in today's healthcare world.

Mount Sinai is shutting down Beth Israel and rebuilding a smaller campus that will have a separate urgent care center, and much smaller hospital along with a bunch of various clinics.

Everyone wants the same patients, those with excellent, great or good health insurance, and or those who can afford to self pay. Ideally those sources will be larger than Medicare, Medicaid and help offset mandatory providing of charity (not reimbursed fully or at all), care.

There was plenty of money in Greenwich Village, West Village, Tribeca, SoHo and Chelsea. Nearly none of it would set foot in Saint Vincent's, instead preferring the teaching hospitals uptown (NYP-Columbia, Mount Sinai) or NYU-Langone on East Side.

Same for Long Island College Hospital where people in that area of Brooklyn either went into Manhattan for care or out to Long Island.
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Old 03-06-2021, 06:25 AM
 
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It's going to be harder to scam medicaid/medicare now that covid19 numbers are being watched closer
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Old 03-06-2021, 06:30 AM
 
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It's going to be harder to scam medicaid/medicare now that covid19 numbers are being watched closer
Believe me when I tell you, if one of the larger NYC area healthcare networks thought they could make money with this hospital, they'd buy it. Fact so far no one is speaking up speaks volumes.

Lenox Hill hospital on UES was nearly bankrupt and would have closed just like Saint Vincent's, but North Shore-LIJ stepped up. They paid all cash for that place and began turning it around in large part by taking any and all patients they can get, not just the residents of UES or other well connected/wealthy.

Some feathers have been ruffled by the changes, with mumbling about how staffing and patient mix has changed over years. But Northwell makes its money from that place....
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Old 03-06-2021, 06:37 AM
 
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It is amazing how northwell has turned so many hospitals around and they became as big as they are ..

We were in northwell LIJ for weeks with covid .

My friends son is ceo of northwell ...now that is something to be proud of ...he is not a doctor either ..just worked his way up their ranks as a good business person
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Old 03-06-2021, 07:13 AM
 
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Mr.Retired, Peninsula had a ton of issues, aside from money, that led to the shutdown.


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It is amazing how northwell has turned so many hospitals around and they became as big as they are ..

We were in northwell LIJ for weeks with covid .

My friends son is ceo of northwell ...now that is something to be proud of ...he is not a doctor either ..just worked his way up their ranks as a good business person
So you know the father of Michael Dowling?

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Believe me when I tell you, if one of the larger NYC area healthcare networks thought they could make money with this hospital, they'd buy it. Fact so far no one is speaking up speaks volumes.

Lenox Hill hospital on UES was nearly bankrupt and would have closed just like Saint Vincent's, but North Shore-LIJ stepped up. They paid all cash for that place and began turning it around in large part by taking any and all patients they can get, not just the residents of UES or other well connected/wealthy.

Some feathers have been ruffled by the changes, with mumbling about how staffing and patient mix has changed over years. But Northwell makes its money from that place....
Northwell is an interesting player to watch. If you see them showing interest in a place, the monetary potential is there. They eventually took over part of where St. Vincent's is to make a standalone ED.

Lenox was broke and then became profitable in almost no time, which just shows how much mismanagement was going on there.

It's not only about taking "all patients" it is also about redirecting resources and getting money from other avenues. They have streamlined a lot of processes. They have made a lot of big contracts with other places. They do a lot of work with HHS.
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Old 03-06-2021, 07:26 AM
 
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What kind of debt and liabilities is the hospital looking at? A larger entity wouldn't want to be saddled with that. Instead, they'll let the hospital die on its own and then buy the property and assets.
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Old 03-06-2021, 10:15 AM
 
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Believe me when I tell you, if one of the larger NYC area healthcare networks thought they could make money with this hospital, they'd buy it. Fact so far no one is speaking up speaks volumes.

Lenox Hill hospital on UES was nearly bankrupt and would have closed just like Saint Vincent's, but North Shore-LIJ stepped up. They paid all cash for that place and began turning it around in large part by taking any and all patients they can get, not just the residents of UES or other well connected/wealthy.

Some feathers have been ruffled by the changes, with mumbling about how staffing and patient mix has changed over years. But Northwell makes its money from that place....
Wow. Is that so. Had no idea. Interesting... I still recall all that static over St. Vincent's closing. That was a huge deal.
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