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Old 09-27-2018, 04:33 PM
 
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Before 16:9 TVs came out, I'm surprised how much Hollywood pan and scanned movies back in the day. Why did they even bother since it's a lot of work to reframe, and recut all the movies. I mean even if they were shown on a 4:3 TV, audiences still want to see the movies and would still rent them and watch them anyway.

So why bother with all the pan and scanning?
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Old 09-27-2018, 04:39 PM
 
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Quite simply, because on a wide screen that had no expected limitations (i.e., the whole audience could see all of it all the time), the action and speaking role might be anywhere on the frame. If you just center the image and let it roll (which was done fairly often in older TV days), you'd get half a sweeping vista, or only part of the action traveling across the screen, or a speaker who was half cut off or entirely out of frame. Sometimes two of the latter, if they were meant to be speaking across a distance.

So moving the frame to better center the action was necessary to keep many movies watchable and not unintended Monty Python sketches.

Most viewers of the time hate-hate-hated letterboxing, so it was rarely done except for very special films and with tons of bumpers at commercial breaks to explain that there was nothing wrong with your TV.
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Old 09-27-2018, 05:17 PM
 
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Oh sorry, what I meant was, why didn't they letterbox everything? Even if people were not use to it, they would still rent the movies cause they would want to see them.
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Old 09-27-2018, 05:40 PM
 
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Oh sorry, what I meant was, why didn't they letterbox everything? Even if people were not use to it, they would still rent the movies cause they would want to see them.
These decisions were made when movies were seen on broadcast TV in syndication, not via video rentals.
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Old 09-27-2018, 06:28 PM
 
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But why not in video rentals?
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Old 09-27-2018, 06:57 PM
 
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Because most people really hated letterboxing. For one thing, the average living-room TV size (4:3) was about 25 inches, and when you reduce the image to 2/3 of that, it got really teeny. Go to a bedroom 19-inch, and it was microscopic.

There were also people (a sibling of mine was/is one of them) who were deeply bothered by the black bars - they couldn't get past the idea that there was something was wrong with the TV, the film or both. I lost count of the times someone said something like "I hate it when they chop off the top and bottom!"
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Old 09-27-2018, 09:40 PM
 
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I remember, in the 80's and early 90's, not liking letterboxing and my friends would tease me by reminding me about the "black bars" every ten minutes.

I don't know why televisions were 4:3 in the past -- perhaps it was something to do with the limitations of the electron guns.
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Old 09-27-2018, 10:11 PM
 
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Because most people really hated letterboxing. For one thing, the average living-room TV size (4:3) was about 25 inches, and when you reduce the image to 2/3 of that, it got really teeny. Go to a bedroom 19-inch, and it was microscopic.

There were also people (a sibling of mine was/is one of them) who were deeply bothered by the black bars - they couldn't get past the idea that there was something was wrong with the TV, the film or both. I lost count of the times someone said something like "I hate it when they chop off the top and bottom!"
Yeah but why did so many people look at it the wrong way? The picture is not being chopped off, you are actually seeing the whole thing.

That's like parking your car in your garage and then being mad, because the car doesn't fill up the space of the entire garage literally.
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Old 09-27-2018, 10:19 PM
 
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People were not watching on personal phone screens. It was a community screen so placed in the same spot giant home screens are now and they were too small to see details the center of the action. Letter boxing made them smaller, while you saw things on the edges the face of the actor was smaller to accommodate action on his left and right.
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Old 09-27-2018, 10:34 PM
 
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*sigh* https://www.widescreen.org/aspect_ratios.shtml

Television was close to the old "Academy" ratio.

Pan and scan was needed particularly on Cinerama films that were basically 2.6/1 ratio. There was Marty's "smilebox" but it was not commonly used. There were other kludges, like anamorpic shinking of the far left and right, but P&S worked best in conversational settings.

This is basic stuff.
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