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Old 07-23-2010, 11:50 PM
 
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I have been trying to hold on to my home for the last three years. I paid a lawyer 2500.00 to help me modify my first mortgage and negotiate the second. The first mortgage was modified one year ago and I have been current with them ever since, I owe 269000.00 on first and 91000.00 on second. The second mortgage company has strung me along telling me that they are working on a modification for two years. I agreed to pay 275.00 a month to them as a good faith payment while they were working out the modification. About 6 months ago they said that they no longer have a modification department and that I would need to make the original payments of 900 a month. I stopped making payments while the lawyer tried to negotiate with them, and did not recieve a bill during this period. They have now charged off the debt and are threatening to foreclose. The lawyer has given up working with them and I dont know what to do now. Can they foreclose if I am current on the first and my house value has dropped from 369000.00 to 168000.00 during this time. Would they have to buy out the first? I live in a rural area and there have been no sales for over three years here. What is my last option?
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Old 07-24-2010, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Hills of TN
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Can you do a short sale? Not great, but better than a foreclosure.
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Old 07-24-2010, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Austin
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If the second actually forecloses, the first gets paid first so it's not in the second's best interest to foreclose. I think you're talking with the wrong people at your lender's and your attorney probably gave up because $2500 is peanuts to him if it's dragged on this long. Call someone at the lender's who actually has authority, like the loss mitigation department and remind them they'll get nothing if they foreclose and modifying for you to something is better than nothing.
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Old 07-26-2010, 04:55 PM
 
Location: New York
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I have a similar case we are working on right now. I think you are leaving something out of the picture - because you said they charged off the loan, and now they are threatening to foreclose.

I am willing to bet they did charge off the loan, but they sold the loan to a debt collection company. Now the debt collection company is starting to make your life impossible.

You are right about the 2nd lender not be able to do anything, because they are behind the 1st lender in lien holders position. Right now they are all talk. Worst case if you do nothing, they could take your case in court (normally in a year time frame), and file for a judgment. Once there is a court awarded judgment, it becomes much harder to negotiate a lower settlement. Also once a judgment is listed on your credit report, if you buy anything in the future, you will have to pay that off before buying a new piece of property.

What I have seen through our office, when there are second mortgages involved. Most of the time these amounts are negotiated to a lower amount. Had a lady the Amityville NY, had her 1st mortgage modified to a lower payment, due to her income she could not afford the payment on the second mortgage. She originally owed $79k, they agreed to settle at $9k. Another example - the 2nd lender reduced the principle down from $96k, to $18k with payments structured over 30 years.

Why are they easy to negotiate to a lower amount - if you are threatening them you are going to foreclosure and they are no going to get anything. Apparently your attorney did not do a good job negotiating.


jib88fer mentions a short sale - doing a short sale is the wrong way to walk away from a home.

Correctly done, if you want to walk away from your home with no ramifications later on (as in a deficiency judgment). The best way is through a deed in lieu. A loan modification is attempted to save the home, then if it can be proved you cannot afford the home, then the home owner is released free and clear of the mortgage.

With a short sale - the property is attempted to be sold for three months. If it doesn't sell, then it can continue into foreclosure, destroying a persons credit. Plus subject to a deficiency judgment later.

If you really would to stir the honey in the beehive, mention to your 2nd lender you are considering bankruptcy. Though honestly do not like to even consider bankruptcy because it will destroy your credit, but is one of your options.

A Chapter 13 to help you eliminate the payments on your second mortgage. That's because if your first mortgage is secured by the entire value of your home, which is possible if the home has dropped in value, you may no longer have any equity with which to secure the later mortgages. That allows the Chapter 13 court to "strip off" the second mortgages and re-categorize them as unsecured debt -- which, under Chapter 13, takes last priority and often does not have to be paid back at all.

Through the years I have spoken to 100's about repairing and keeping a good credit score. It is so important to have good credit if you want low payments. When I work with people like to assign three priorities - first saving your home and getting the lowest possible payment, 2nd legally eliminating the unsecured debt, and 3rd working on a plan to rebuild your credit. When a person is younger, it is easier to fix their credit. When a person is more mature, it is harder (not impossible) to correct ones credit report.

I might be able to comment on another option next week - will be going through training on Principle Mortgage Reduction Refinancing for under water properties. Then I might have other options to suggest to you.

Sorry - I went a little off on the length......


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Old 07-26-2010, 08:17 PM
 
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Thank You for your response. At one point during the last 2 years the second mortgage said they would drop the principle down from 90000 to 49000 they asked me to pay 275.00 a month for six months in good faith payments, I did that and at the end of the 6 months (while they were supposed to be modifying the loan) they wanted me to resume paying the oringinal amount 890.00 month and told me they didnt have a modification department. I could not reason with them and get them to understand that I could not pay the original amount. That is when I stopped paying at all.They revoked the 49000 number and went back to the orignal 89000.00 adding interest which is now 91000.00. I have been trying to find a reasonable bankruptcy lawyer in my area to file chapter 13 as this seems the only recourse now.
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Old 07-26-2010, 08:25 PM
 
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Also a short sale would only leave us owing the second and losing the house. The only neighbor I have ( I live in a rural ranch area) foreclosed on their home. It took 4 years for the bank to sell it and that sale is why I believe that my home value dropped from 379000.00 to 168000.00 according to county tax records.
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Old 07-27-2010, 12:40 PM
 
Location: New York
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.....my area to file chapter 13 as this seems the only recourse now.

Do not go to a bankruptcy attorney, they will talk you into doing one. FACT

From what you have said above - you might be a candidate for a Short Refinance.
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Old 07-27-2010, 12:52 PM
 
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Ive never heard of a short refinance? What is it? Also I am in California.
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Old 07-27-2010, 12:56 PM
 
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The attorney that I had told me that a chapter 13 would not be able to strip the second due to a law that was passed in January of 2009. Is this true?
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:10 PM
 
Location: New York
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The attorney that I had told me that a chapter 13 would not be able to strip the second due to a law that was passed in January of 2009. Is this true?
Like I said - to I am scheduled for training on this on Friday. That will be one of the questions I will ask. About the time frame after a bankruptcy. I do know there cannot be an open bankruptcy.

I want to know what will be the ramifications of going into during a short refi. Honestly if something works and it does save money, I will promote it.

If I discover that people can be scammed out of money, and it leaves them in a worst position. I will be one of the leading advocate's against it.

Short Refinances have been around for a while, they are not like a mortgage refi, or a loan modifications.

Curious - the attorney that gave you that information, were they a bankruptcy attorney? I have been working with Mortgages for almost a decade, I have seen many times there has always been an exception to the rule.

See you are in California, you state has so many new laws concerning mortgages, that are different from the rest of the country. You should speak to an attorney that specializes in the mortgage field (not a bankruptcy attorney). I have heard Bob Massi in Nevada is a leading expert that probilly knows about the laws of your state.

Heres a link to his website Robert A. Massi & Associates
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