08-26-2020, 07:04 AM
Location: Texas
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You are welcome.
So in all honesty I have been very torn about this. I am at an age where I can buy land and pay it off during my working career (I am 37 this December). I have considered buying 500-1000 acres that is available in some areas, OR purchasing multiple (10+ lots) at 40-50 acres at $25-35K a lot. I am seriously looking for a lot of land almost all entirely for recreational use only; and CRP land. I am also as stated earlier looking for land to protect Montana's farm/ranchland and allow them to graze/cultivate land or I'd slap it into a CRP if possible to keep it protected.
Commuting -- If I am able to transfer my job up to Helena (God-willing) I'd prefer a 30-45 minute commute (NO SNOW) and upto a 1-1.5 hour commute (WITH SNOW). If I can't get my job transferred into Helena, then I am literally willing to work anywhere on the eastern half of MT as it allows my wife/kids to see their grandparents within a days drive, and the father-in-law and myself can go Harley riding. I will also be starting a family business out of wherever I "land" so commuting from that standpoint also doesn't matter as I will have to travel anyways.
My budget/thoughts are in the process so any input could make changes to what I think is considerable, aggressive or not aggressive enough; no problems with anyone's input. I greatly appreciate them.
08-26-2020, 07:08 AM
Location: Texas
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I'd stay far away from any reservation. I've heard there are rough areas of Great Falls and Billings but not sure how accurate that is. Butte is quite a colorful town. Lots of pride in the city but I don't think there's much of an economy (correct me if I'm wrong).
I actually have some close family friends that live out in... North/North Eastern upper half of Montana that have told me some similar things, but I have absolutely no idea what's out there except that kind of flat lands area. I've personally never been in that area.
I've also heard some similar things about Great Falls and to keep my distance without really learning/knowing the area.
I know when I was living in WA we lived in-between 3 different Native American reservations and while we personally never had any issues with anyone, others sure did. I don't mind anyone wanting to be my neighbor but I am not one that wants to see your house if I am living on 50 acres LOL
Thanks for the input!
08-26-2020, 08:13 AM
Location: Forest bathing
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Last fall we drove the Red Canyon Scenic Backcountry Byway near Lander Wyoming. Along the route, we saw signs that said the land we were driving through was owned by the Nature Conservancy. They allowed grazing to preserve ranch lands. You may want to research their partnerships with ranch owners.
08-26-2020, 09:25 AM
Location: Texas
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Last fall we drove the Red Canyon Scenic Backcountry Byway near Lander Wyoming. Along the route, we saw signs that said the land we were driving through was owned by the Nature Conservancy. They allowed grazing to preserve ranch lands. You may want to research their partnerships with ranch owners.
Ahh!!!! This is exactly the kind of things I am looking for! Awesome! Thank you for sharing!
Steve
08-26-2020, 05:30 PM
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American Prairie Reserve
https://www.americanprairie.org/
I believe it is on north side of Missouri, south of Malta / Glasgow. Very big and may get bigger. Could be a visit, ideas or more.
Talk to some knowledgeable about CRP. USDA, Extension, State Ag, land attorney, conservation groups.
08-27-2020, 06:44 AM
Location: Aishalton, GY
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I'd stay far away from any reservation. I've heard there are rough areas of Great Falls and Billings but not sure how accurate that is. Butte is quite a colorful town. Lots of pride in the city but I don't think there's much of an economy (correct me if I'm wrong).
I have lived on and near the rez land in question. I had no problems but you gotta leave the tv series programs about how great Custer was at the doorstep. Butte has seen better days - if the mining would return they'd have a chance. Lotsa cheaper land there. Brutally cold in the winter. With the downturn in rail travel, the "high line" towns of Havre, Wolfpoint, are suffering from the cutbacks. Glasgow does well no matter with giant Ft Peck reservoir and Shelby with the interstate traffic.
08-29-2020, 04:55 PM
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I have lived on and near the rez land in question. I had no problems but you gotta leave the tv series programs about how great Custer was at the doorstep. Butte has seen better days - if the mining would return they'd have a chance. Lotsa cheaper land there. Brutally cold in the winter. With the downturn in rail travel, the "high line" towns of Havre, Wolfpoint, are suffering from the cutbacks. Glasgow does well no matter with giant Ft Peck reservoir and Shelby with the interstate traffic.
So, just clarifying. Your first sentence about leaving Custer at the doorstep. Custer was a moron who never should have done what he did. Are you basically saying, don't bring that stuff up near the rez?
Butte -- I am interpreting that as near Butte there is a lot of cheaper land yes?
Glasgow -- Isn't there an AFB up there or is that Mahlstrom I am thinking of?
Havre, Wolfpoint -- I've heard of Havre, but not Wolfpoint. Are the towns/communities holding or does it seem to be where they may become "ghost-towns" ?
Thanks all!
Steve
08-29-2020, 09:19 PM
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Wolfpoint has actually grown some in last 10 years, erasing losses from previous 15-20 years. May be energy development related. Families of workers getting cheaper, quieter housing perhaps?
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08-29-2020, 11:03 PM
Location: North Dakota
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Wolfpoint has actually grown some in last 10 years, erasing losses from previous 15-20 years. May be energy development related. Families of workers getting cheaper, quieter housing perhaps?
Malmstrom is just outside of Great Falls. Years ago didn't the Wolf Point area have the highest murder rate per capita in the country? I seem to remember hearing that in high school, not sure how accurate it was/is.
08-30-2020, 06:23 AM
Location: Aishalton, GY
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So, just clarifying. Your first sentence about leaving Custer at the doorstep. Custer was a moron who never should have done what he did. Are you basically saying, don't bring that stuff up near the rez?
Well, unless you want to be punched out - yeah
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Butte -- I am interpreting that as near Butte there is a lot of cheaper land yes?
Yeah
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Glasgow -- Isn't there an AFB up there or is that Mahlstrom I am thinking of?
There was a base there until 1976, but not now - new identifier by FAA is 07MT. In recent years, the former base has seen intermittent use as a testing site for Boeing aircraft designs. The former base housing area is now the residential community of St. Marie, Montana, though most of the buildings remain vacant.
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Havre, Wolfpoint -- I've heard of Havre, but not Wolfpoint. Are the towns/communities holding or does it seem to be where they may become "ghost-towns" ?
Not Havre, but likely Wolfpoint and other smaller towns will fade away if this sickness continues.
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People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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