My map of Midwest/South in Missouri! (Cape Girardeau, Rolla: live, area)

[stlouisan]

And please, this topic has been discussed to death, almost to the point where these threads are started to provoke wars. We haven't beaten a dead horse at this point...now we're mauling.one.

[onegoalstl]

Originally Posted by stlouisan

Jefferson County is kind of the beginning of the transition zone from Midwest to South. It identifies more as Midwestern for sure, but there is no denying that some Southern influences begin appearing there.

Agree. You feel it more once you get into St. Francois county though. There there is more southern influence than Jefferson county. Like you see in jefferson you can notice it some, once you get furthern south and deeper into Jefferson county. Arnold for example does not have southern influence. Once you get down to the southern half there is more. but then when you go SE then you hit Midwestern again.

Missouri is a odd state.

[GraniteStater]

Originally Posted by stlouisan

Kansas City is solidly Midwestern. As is Jeff City. The upper boundary of the midwest-south transition zone needs to be shifted at least two counties to the south in most areas. I also think the Dixie area is too far north in some places Joplin and Springfield to me lie more along the transition zone than Dixie.

Jefferson City is in the transition zone IMO between the Midwest and upland South.

[stlouisan]

Originally Posted by GraniteStater

Jefferson City is in the transition zone IMO between the Midwest and upland South.

Topographically, maybe...the Ozark foothills start in JC, but the culture does not. Jefferson City every time I have been there felt like it was barely inside the southern tip of the Midwest region. It is south of there where it begins to noticeably lose some of the Midwestern element to it. Going towards the Lake of the Ozarks on U.S. 54, Missouri starts to assume a fairly mixed identity.

[GraniteStater]

Originally Posted by stlouisan

Topographically, maybe. Culturally, no.

Topographically definitely. Culturally it is only Midwest because of the capitol and higher educational attainment levels. Southwest of that area, Eldon, is solidly upland South town.

[stlouisan]

Originally Posted by GraniteStater

Topographically definitely. Culturally it is only Midwest because of the capitol and higher educational attainment levels. Southwest of that area, Eldon, is solidly upland South town.

Eldon is not a Southern town, sorry. Culturally, it is still well within the transition zone. Jefferson City is a big city. Eldon is not. Topographically, Eldon is the upland South. Culturally it is just not. Eldon was too mixed in identity to classify, as is much of Southern Missouri. It doesn't just go from Midwest to South in the blink of an eye. The true South lies well below Eldon.

[stlouisan]

Originally Posted by GraniteStater

Topographically definitely. Culturally it is only Midwest because of the capitol and higher educational attainment levels. Southwest of that area, Eldon, is solidly upland South town.

Jefferson City is not topographically Southern either. It is literally right where the topographic south and Midwest collide.

[stlouisan]

This is my cultural map of Missouri that I finally drew. Forgive the bad handwriting...this was done with a touchpad and I don't have an operational mouse currently. Double click on it for a MUCH bigger view.

[onegoalstl]

I would put the south line At Cape Girardeau though because it can lean either way, and IMO should be the start of Dixie.

Also I would take Ste Gen, out of the mix. It's midwestern.

[stlouisan]

Originally Posted by onegoalstl

I would put the south line At Cape Girardeau though because it can lean either way, and IMO should be the start of Dixie.

Also I would take Ste Gen, out of the mix. It's midwestern.

I put the south line at Cape Girardeau, at least I think I did. Ste. Genevieve is Midwestern...if I didn't include it in the transition zone you can feel free to change that My Midwest-South transition zone indicates that anything that falls into this zone can't be classified as either southern or midwestern...they are both. Other than that, this is a perfect map of what I consider to be a state that is Midwestern with southern influences...75% Midwest, 25% south=overall, Midwestern.