03-01-2009, 07:11 PM
Location: Minnesota, south of the metro
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https://www.city-data.com/forum/minne...ious-gang.html
Original thread where some with utopian mindsets argued that "it wasn't that bad".
The troubling reality?
2 teens shot at Southdale Mall
Quote:
Two teenage boys were shot in a Southdale mall parking lot Friday evening during a fight that Edina police called gang-related .
2 Teens Shot Outside Southdale Mall - wcco.com (http://wcco.com/local/shooting.southdale.mall.2.946662.html - broken link)
Quote:
Two teenagers were in the hospital Friday after a shooting outside of Southdale Shopping Center.Police think the teens are in a gang and got into an argument with a rival . It happened outside the J.C. Penney in Edina, Minn.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29449328/ and
kare11.com | Twin Cities, MN | Four Edina investigators look for mall shooting suspect (http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=540859 - broken link)
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Edina police investigators say at least four shots were fired during a clash between rival Hispanic gangs outside the Southdale Shopping Center Friday evening.
http://www.twincities.com/allheadlin...nclick_check=1
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An altercation between two groups ("Groups"... heh. That's right. Like the boy scouts are a group, or the Knights of Columbus.) resulted in two teens being shot — one seriously — and a suspect still at large.
03-01-2009, 10:22 PM
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Yes, this is unfortunate. And yes, Southdale has some problems (like the fact that half the mall is boarded up, for one). But this incident wouldn't make me any less likely to go there. Bad stuff happens sometimes, even in the best of places. Not that Southdale is the "best of places," but it's not like it's typically a den of criminals run amok, either.
03-02-2009, 09:19 AM
Location: MN
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The location mentioned in the articles as "outside J.C. Penny" also just happens to be the bus stop.
03-02-2009, 11:20 AM
Location: Minneapolis, Minnesota
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I tried to give you rep points moving & uptown_urbanist...but apparently I have to spread the love.
03-02-2009, 12:20 PM
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Just for the record, I am far more concerned about the two guys pulling up in a car and robbing random people in the street at gunpoint, this is a crime that may happen to anyone who happens to be at the wrong place at the wrong time...who really cares about a dispute that happened between some youths and the resulting violence. Let them deal with their own crap, it hardly affects the safety of innocent bystanders like the random robberies do.
03-02-2009, 09:51 PM
Location: Minnesota, south of the metro
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
MNNative
I tried to give you rep points moving & uptown_urbanist...but apparently I have to spread the love. find a bunch of other violent incidents that have happened recently at that mall and maybe you'll have something ...
You only need to go as far as the police reports that happened in or around that mall.
03-02-2009, 10:13 PM
Location: ST PAUL
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I question the validity of any gangmember who hangs out at the mall.
03-02-2009, 10:46 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
Double
I question the validity of any gangmember who hangs out at the mall.
On the contrary. A truly business minded thug would be crazy not to go after that mall. Do you know how many bored, rich teenagers hang out at Southdale? You could sell them **** as silver if you wanted to.
03-03-2009, 08:53 AM
Location: MN
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Didn't they see the "Southdale Center bans guns in these premises" signs?
03-03-2009, 09:03 AM
Location: Mahtomedi, MN
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
Minnehahapolitan
On the contrary. A truly business minded thug would be crazy not to go after that mall. Do you know how many bored, rich teenagers hang out at Southdale? You could sell them **** as silver if you wanted to.
There is already 5 or so low end jewlers doing that. Southdale ain't what it used to be. It has been on a 5+ year decline. Too close to MOA is probably part of it.
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Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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