Can Minneapolis recover from all this ? (attorney, tax rates, moving)

[wamer27]

Originally Posted by Unsettomati

Here's how the nonsense goes:

Walmart announces that it will close a dozen stores. The usual suspects go hysterical over the ones located in place where they can pin the closing (in the absence of any actual evidence thereof) on one or another of their favorite boogeymen. But the store closings on places like Arkansas and Florida and Indiana and Texas? Nothing to see there!

https://sports.yahoo.com/walmart-clo...161826876.html

Laughably predictable.

Please explain this part for us all.

Brooklyn Center police said Walmart made 6,177 calls for services in the last five years. That’s double the number of calls compared to surrounding businesses like Super 8 and Cub Foods with 3,270 and 3,038 calls, respectively. All three businesses top the city’s list for calls for services.

For further context, police say just six miles away, the Walmart in Brooklyn Park had 1,679 calls for services in the last five years.

In the past, state lawmakers shared concerns that Walmart was draining public resources.

[UMN2BE]

Originally Posted by wamer27

Please explain this part for us all.

Brooklyn Center police said Walmart made 6,177 calls for services in the last five years. That’s double the number of calls compared to surrounding businesses like Super 8 and Cub Foods with 3,270 and 3,038 calls, respectively. All three businesses top the city’s list for calls for services.

For further context, police say just six miles away, the Walmart in Brooklyn Park had 1,679 calls for services in the last five years.

In the past, state lawmakers shared concerns that Walmart was draining public resources.

6200 is insane. That's 17/day or about 1 call every single hour that the store is open, on average.

However, Walmarts around the country are notorious for the number of police calls they generate. Even in affluent suburbs: https://patch.com/minnesota/woodbury...e-calls-report

[James Bond 007]

Originally Posted by wamer27

Please explain this part for us all.

Brooklyn Center police said Walmart made 6,177 calls for services in the last five years. That’s double the number of calls compared to surrounding businesses like Super 8 and Cub Foods with 3,270 and 3,038 calls, respectively. All three businesses top the city’s list for calls for services.

For further context, police say just six miles away, the Walmart in Brooklyn Park had 1,679 calls for services in the last five years.

In the past, state lawmakers shared concerns that Walmart was draining public resources.

In the past I have worked with police data in Kansas City. Walmarts ALWAYS have much higher theft and other crimes rates than Target or other similar stores. ALWAYS (not "ALWAYS low prices" - "ALWAYS more thefts"). In the town of Raytown, there is this one Walmart that opened many years ago, and the City of Raytown gave it some sort of special tax break as an incentive for it to locate there. They now regret it, because there is so much theft there and the police spend so much time and resources responding to calls from incidents there that they're now saying it was NOT worth it. That's hardly an isolated example, either, it's pretty typical. The Brooklyn Park Walmart is not anything unusual for Walmarts.

I think thieves pick on Walmart just because it's Walmart.

[WoodburyWoody]

Originally Posted by James Bond 007

In the past I have worked with police data in Kansas City. Walmarts ALWAYS have much higher theft and other crimes rates than Target or other similar stores. ALWAYS (not "ALWAYS low prices" - "ALWAYS more thefts"). In the town of Raytown, there is this one Walmart that opened many years ago, and the City of Raytown gave it some sort of special tax break as an incentive for it to locate there. They now regret it, because there is so much theft there and the police spend so much time and resources responding to calls from incidents there that they're now saying it was NOT worth it. That's hardly an isolated example, either, it's pretty typical. The Brooklyn Park Walmart is not anything unusual for Walmarts.

I think thieves pick on Walmart just because it's Walmart.

Nothing new, locally ...


In 2016, only the entire Mall of America had more calls to Bloomington police that the Bloomington Walmart (https://www.mprnews.org/story/2016/1...t-police-calls). It was bad in Woodbury, Brooklyn Center, St. Paul, Rosevile other Twin Cities stores back then. That year, Fortune Magazine had an article about how Walmart has pushed store security to local law enforcement in the Twin Cities (https://fortune.com/2016/12/18/minne...almart-guards/), prompting a bill to be introduced in the Minnesota legislature to address it.

[jmgg]

Not exactly a glowing article showing Minneapolis recovery.

https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/...yTIPNsAMQHNhfI

[wamer27]

Originally Posted by jmgg

Not exactly a glowing article showing Minneapolis recovery.

https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/...yTIPNsAMQHNhfI

Bob Fletcher has talked about the teens being the root source for years on his show Live On Patrol. Nothing has changed for fixing it, it’s gotten worse each year.

[TheGrandViking]

Originally Posted by Teak

Yeah, the imminent closure of the Brooklyn Center Walmart is just another example how awesome the Defund the Police movement has been towards promoting the recovery of Minneapolis and its suburbs.

https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/...-last-5-years/

That's strange. The suburbs, in general, have been doing very well. Most posters who are convinced Minneapolis will never recover avoid talking about suburbs in the Minneapolis metro for this very reason because it doesn't fit the narrative.

The truth is Minneapolis and the it's suburbs are the economic engine driving Minnesota. Before and after defund the police was spoken (something I disagree with but agree Minneapolis police have massive problems).

If the police force gets cleaned up, I think the healthier the city of Minneapolis will be. But it is one of many problems that can't be fixed by avoiding a phrase or fixing the police. I think it is deeper than that.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...tory-policing/

Trying to reduce these factors to one thing avoids the complexity of the whole problem and is more a political position. This has been rehashed in other threads ad nauseum.

I lived in Minneapolis in the 90s and it looked a lot bleaker than it does now. Crime was even higher. So, back to the original question. Only a fool would bet against it.

[wamer27]

Originally Posted by TheGrandViking

That's strange. The suburbs, in general, have been doing very well. Most posters who are convinced Minneapolis will never recover avoid talking about suburbs in the Minneapolis metro for this very reason because it doesn't fit the narrative.

The truth is Minneapolis and the it's suburbs are the economic engine driving Minnesota. Before and after defund the police was spoken (something I disagree with but agree Minneapolis police have massive problems).

If the police force gets cleaned up, I think the healthier the city of Minneapolis will be. But it is one of many problems that can't be fixed by avoiding a phrase or fixing the police. I think it is deeper than that.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...tory-policing/

Trying to reduce these factors to one thing avoids the complexity of the whole problem and is more a political position. This has been rehashed in other threads ad nauseum.

I lived in Minneapolis in the 90s and it looked a lot bleaker than it does now. Crime was even higher. So, back to the original question. Only a fool would bet against it.

The problem nobody is talking about and you won’t know the numbers unless you are in industry is nobody wants to be a cop anymore. There are well known cities in metro functioning on bare bones staff, laughable in reality and no way it can actually function. Rochester had some positions open recently and only 10 people applied, 10 years ago 500 plus applied for same few openings. People are speeding on freeways way more now, I always have, but now it’s just following flow. It’s the lack of patrol being the reason. I drive around all day with my business and I rarely see cops anymore.

[Muffinpuncher]

Originally Posted by TheGrandViking

That's strange. The suburbs, in general, have been doing very well. Most posters who are convinced Minneapolis will never recover avoid talking about suburbs in the Minneapolis metro for this very reason because it doesn't fit the narrative.

The truth is Minneapolis and the it's suburbs are the economic engine driving Minnesota. Before and after defund the police was spoken (something I disagree with but agree Minneapolis police have massive problems).

If the police force gets cleaned up, I think the healthier the city of Minneapolis will be. But it is one of many problems that can't be fixed by avoiding a phrase or fixing the police. I think it is deeper than that.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...tory-policing/

Trying to reduce these factors to one thing avoids the complexity of the whole problem and is more a political position. This has been rehashed in other threads ad nauseum.

I lived in Minneapolis in the 90s and it looked a lot bleaker than it does now. Crime was even higher. So, back to the original question. Only a fool would bet against it.

Minneapolis is morphing into Detroit. Between crime, remote workers, and lack of support for the cops its over. Crime was bad in the 90's but the city SUPPORTED the cops - they don't now. Its over for the city- only a fool would believe in the "magic" of the city.

[GraniteStater]

Originally Posted by Muffinpuncher

Minneapolis is morphing into Detroit. Between crime, remote workers, and lack of support for the cops its over. Crime was bad in the 90's but the city SUPPORTED the cops - they don't now. Its over for the city- only a fool would believe in the "magic" of the city.

The metro area as a whole as the second highest GDP of any metro area in the Midwest. More of the population growth will just shift to the suburbs and exurbs, but not leave the region.