09-18-2010, 08:24 AM
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I did a bit of house flipping in the boom years in the south and now find myself fortunate enough to live in a house worth about $800k. I am considering a move to the Kalamazoo area and am wondering the best place for this price range. I've seen lots of suggestions for Portage. Is that the best choice? I do have 3 young kids and will know no one in the area, so large friendly neighborhoods with lots of kids are appealing ...
09-18-2010, 03:01 PM
Location: southwest michigan
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I don't know if you are trying to stay within a certain commuting distance from a job in K-zoo, but if you're pretty open to anything in the general area, I would suggest looking at lakefront homes on Gull Lake, just north/northeast of the city. The cities would be Richland, Augusta, Hickory Corners, and maybe a couple of others. The school district (Gull Lake Community Schools) is very highly rated, the lake is amazing, and there are a lot of beautiful rural areas around while still being near enough to the city. Portage is fine and has a lot of conveniences, but it is a little too cookie-cutter/traffic filled for me (although, we did just move from southern California, and were looking for a change. You may not be). Hope this helps!
09-19-2010, 05:17 AM
Location: West Michigan
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I don't know if you are trying to stay within a certain commuting distance from a job in K-zoo, but if you're pretty open to anything in the general area, I would suggest looking at lakefront homes on Gull Lake, just north/northeast of the city. The cities would be Richland, Augusta, Hickory Corners, and maybe a couple of others. The school district (Gull Lake Community Schools) is very highly rated, the lake is amazing, and there are a lot of beautiful rural areas around while still being near enough to the city. Portage is fine and has a lot of conveniences, but it is a little too cookie-cutter/traffic filled for me (although, we did just move from southern California, and were looking for a change. You may not be). Hope this helps!
I agree with this. You should look at the Gull Lake area and nowhere else. It is by far my favorite spot near Kalamazoo and has lots of expensive homes to choose from.
09-19-2010, 08:34 AM
Location: West Michigan
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well you can now buy an 800k home in MI for 50k. Its a name your price for the buyer here. But don't expect it to go up anytime soon. I would not put big money into real estate, the bubble is the same as the tech bubble and it has been over ten years and has not even started to come back and will not. Homes were way over priced due to speculation and that speculation has busted. Homes should not cost anymore than they did three hundred years ago, not in money but time spent to earn the home. If it took two years avg wages to buy an avg home three hundred years ago, than it should take two years wages today. Homes do not go up in value, they adjust for inflation. If they went up in value, than it would hit a point that no one could afford a home except for the 2% richest in the nation. Gold is the bubble right now, if and when the economy stabilizes it will colapse down to its real value. This happened in the 80s when it went up to 1k an oz and then plummeted down to as low as 280 and oz and did not move much for 20 years. The era of flip this house is over, at least for those who do not know what they are doing. Now you have to buy right and know what to put into it. The days of throwing thousands into a home and getting thousands more back are over. This is why the flip this house shows are off the air
Blah blah blah blah.
Buy an $800,000 home for $50,000? What fantasy land are you living in?
This post is about the Kalamazoo area, specifically Gull Lake. It's not downtown Detroit or Flint. The housing market is pretty much average compared to the rest of the U.S. All areas of Michigan are not created equal. The houses on the lake are still in high demand. Prices might not be what they were in 2006, but you are NOT going to steal a house on Gull Lake.
Scroll down this page and check out the asking prices on these places. I don't see any $800,000 houses that are selling for $50,000.
http://www.gulllakemich.com/gull-lake-michigan-homes-on-gull-lake.htm (http://www.gulllakerealty.info/Nav.aspx/Page=%2fPageManager%2fDefault.aspx%2fPageID%3d2100 758 - broken link)
09-19-2010, 08:55 AM
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Gull Lake ...
Gull Lake looks a bit out of the 800k range ... unless you're looking for 1500 sq ft. We have a family of 6 so looking for a bit larger home. Would love to live on a lake, but doesn't look realistic for us since I'd prefer we weren't all in bunk-beds! Hoping to find 4/5 bedrooms .... looks like that's $3MM on Gull Lake!
09-19-2010, 08:57 AM
Location: West Michigan
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Gull Lake looks a bit out of the 800k range ... unless you're looking for 1500 sq ft. We have a family of 6 so looking for a bit larger home. Would love to live on a lake, but doesn't look realistic for us since I'd prefer we weren't all in bunk-beds! Hoping to find 4/5 bedrooms .... looks like that's $3MM on Gull Lake!
Sorry about that! I knew it was expensive, but I didn't know it was THAT expensive. I didn't realize it until I posted that link just now.
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09-20-2010, 05:07 AM
Location: southwest michigan
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Gull Lake looks a bit out of the 800k range ... unless you're looking for 1500 sq ft. We have a family of 6 so looking for a bit larger home. Would love to live on a lake, but doesn't look realistic for us since I'd prefer we weren't all in bunk-beds! Hoping to find 4/5 bedrooms .... looks like that's $3MM on Gull Lake!
It's true that the prices are high directly on the lake, but one or two streets away you still have incredible homes, the area is beautiful, and the prices are easily half or a quarter of the lakefront mansions. We are 5 miles from the lake and our house was *very* affordable. Richland/Augusta/Hickory Corners within the Gull Lake Community Schools district should definitely stay on your list!
09-20-2010, 07:05 PM
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Taxes?
How are property taxes in the area?
09-21-2010, 06:52 AM
Location: Hernando, FL
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If it were me Southtrans with your kind of money to spend I would be all over Mattawan, MI. Just 12 miles west of the city limits of K-Zoo. Beautiful homes nestled among grape vineyards and apple orchards. There is a large pharm research company (MPI) and the location makes it attractive to the well educated, scientists and staff that work there. The high school is top notch and the town is progressive, revitalizing their downtown.
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Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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