The Los Angeles Homeless Containment Thread (Pasadena, South Pasadena: big home, central, police)

[jm1982]

Considering how different his values are this worries me .

Is being pro illegal immigration and pro criminal a value now ?

“Garcetti said he's looking for someone who will continue the constitutional policing policies of retiring Chief Charlie Beck and who will reflect the city and its values. A new chief will be chosen by the time Beck steps down June 27.”


Mayor Garcetti outlines goals for choosing next police chief | abc7.com

[streetscenes]

Originally Posted by jm1982

Unfortunately the Police Chief is selected by the Mayor.

Ours is retiring so a new one is going to be selected but most likely the next one will be even more liberal .

I really didn't want to wade back into this mess of a thread. It's a good topic but these long threads only work if you read and post constantly. But I can't let this go, you are being silly and pushing nonsense like conflating homelessness and child molesters.

Unfortunately your story about LAPD being soft on the homeless population is not backed up by reality. LAPD is arresting more homeless people than ever. I agree with you that this is not very effective and does not solve the problem. But that's because criminalizing homelessness doesn't work.

Officers made 14,000 arrests of homeless people in the city in 2016, a 31% increase over 2011, the Times analysis found. The rise came as LAPD arrests overall went down 15%. Two-thirds of those arrested were black or Latino, and the top five charges were for nonviolent or minor offenses.

In 2011, 1 in 10 arrests citywide were of homeless people; in 2016, it was 1 in 6.

Huge increase in arrests of homeless in L.A.

[jm1982]

Originally Posted by streetscenes

I really didn't want to wade back into this mess of a thread. It's a good topic but these long threads only work if you read and post constantly. But I can't let this go, you are being silly and pushing nonsense like conflating homelessness and child molesters.

Unfortunately your story about LAPD being soft on the homeless population is not backed up by reality. LAPD is arresting more homeless people than ever. I agree with you that this is not very effective and does not solve the problem. But that's because criminalizing homelessness doesn't work.

Officers made 14,000 arrests of homeless people in the city in 2016, a 31% increase over 2011, the Times analysis found. The rise came as LAPD arrests overall went down 15%. Two-thirds of those arrested were black or Latino, and the top five charges were for nonviolent or minor offenses.

In 2011, 1 in 10 arrests citywide were of homeless people; in 2016, it was 1 in 6.

Huge increase in arrests of homeless in L.A.

They are being arrested for committing crimes not for “being homeless “

Just like illegals are deported for being here illegally not for “being immigrants “

The homeless population has a higher concentration of criminals and ex cons versus the non homeless population .

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

Not necessarily. Acting "erratically" in a manner people find threatening can fall under "menacing by word" or just outright menacing if the pan handler becomes really aggressive.

There is no such legal term in California as "menacing by word" the closest would be 422PC Criminal threats. Once again, acting erratically is not a crime, if the behavior escalates to something that constitutes a crime that should be dealt with but it still does not make acting erratically a criminal act.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by jm1982

Unfortunately the Police Chief is selected by the Mayor.
Ours is retiring so a new one is going to be selected but most likely the next one will be even more liberal .

I'm not sure what a new Chief will do that's different, arrests of the homeless are up, no city can devote all of their resources to arresting people for spitting on the sidewalk or smoking in public and it seems that you think that is the solution to homelessness; to just continually arrest people for very minor offenses with the thought that they will eventually get tired of it and move somewhere else.

[JohnG72]

Originally Posted by streetscenes

I really didn't want to wade back into this mess of a thread. It's a good topic but these long threads only work if you read and post constantly. But I can't let this go, you are being silly and pushing nonsense like conflating homelessness and child molesters.

Unfortunately your story about LAPD being soft on the homeless population is not backed up by reality. LAPD is arresting more homeless people than ever. I agree with you that this is not very effective and does not solve the problem. But that's because criminalizing homelessness doesn't work.

Officers made 14,000 arrests of homeless people in the city in 2016, a 31% increase over 2011, the Times analysis found. The rise came as LAPD arrests overall went down 15%. Two-thirds of those arrested were black or Latino, and the top five charges were for nonviolent or minor offenses.

In 2011, 1 in 10 arrests citywide were of homeless people; in 2016, it was 1 in 6.

Huge increase in arrests of homeless in L.A.

The homeless population has not doubled from 2011, it has risen exponentially.

Of course arrests would increase in sheer numbers and as percentage of arrests. Funny though that despite the exponential population increase, the number of arrests hasn't even doubled.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by Matadora

Nope I'm talking about prop 55 which was an extension of prop 30. You know the "temporary" tax? What a sham! Thankfully "my state" has no state income tax and does not allow people with less income to vote on how much money the state can take out of the higher income earners. That would never fly in a real democracy.

"your state" has absurdly high property tax rates that can force older people on a fixed income out of their home, I'm not sure why you consider that a real democracy.

[jm1982]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

I'm not sure what a new Chief will do that's different, arrests of the homeless are up, no city can devote all of their resources to arresting people for spitting on the sidewalk or smoking in public and it seems that you think that is the solution to homelessness; to just continually arrest people for very minor offenses with the thought that they will eventually get tired of it and move somewhere else.

Do you really think they are currently being arrested for smoking in public or spitting on the sidewalks?

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by jm1982

Do you really think they are currently being arrested for smoking in public or spitting on the sidewalks?

I posted this before, it specifically mentions being arrested for smoking in public:

Huge increase in arrests of homeless in L.A.

[arleigh]

What incentive is there NOT TO BE HOMELESS ?
I have been homeless , I have never been arrested nor a criminal nor used drugs ,I simply had a hard time getting a job that paid enough to meet the needs of living in an apartment/house and all the accompanying responsibilities .
I am retired now and have 2 people living with me on my land that would otherwise be homeless.
I am not a liberal, and these folk have a responsibility to make some contribution to their privilege. A I made similar contributions when I was in their position.
The problem with government is that they cannot require this same responsibility . As a result like the welfare queens they think it's their right.
Once the ball is rolling it will only grow more dependent on the government to pay out.
These people don't get better, they raise their children to do the same thing.

Back in the 20s they had the Civilian Conservation Corps CCC s . this put people to work and the major portion of pay was sent home to help the family, while the worker stayed at amp doing needed work .
A similar program could be installed but it would have to require all on the take including those in welfare and SSI .