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So funny the anger and apologists for what is simple reality. Newsday didn't set this up or create some narrative. They candid camera'd a bundle of agents and caught them overtly steering BASED ON RACE. This is about family A being treated completely differently than family B despite every metric (except race) being equal. They got busted. .
NY State has had testers for years, and yes, they do catch agents. Agents are people, and some people do the right thing and others don't. No excuses here, it is what it is.
However, your comment that EVERY METRIC was equal, is erroneous. Not every family behaved the same way, and not every family came at the same time. Inventory changes over time, especially on the low end, where we've had bidding wars for some time now. If you come in today and I offer some available listings and a friend of yours comes in weeks (in some instances 3 months!) later, that inventory will have changed and I will be unable to offer the same listings. Perceived "better" neighborhoods will move faster as well.
Again, I'm making no excuses, just want to clarify the "every metric was equal" thing - it's not the case.
NY State has had testers for years, and yes, they do catch agents. Agents are people, and some people do the right thing and others don't. No excuses here, it is what it is.
However, your comment that EVERY METRIC was equal, is erroneous. Not every family behaved the same way, and not every family came at the same time. Inventory changes over time, especially on the low end, where we've had bidding wars for some time now. If you come in today and I offer some available listings and a friend of yours comes in weeks (in some instances 3 months!) later, that inventory will have changed and I will be unable to offer the same listings. Perceived "better" neighborhoods will move faster as well.
Again, I'm making no excuses, just want to clarify the "every metric was equal" thing - it's not the case.
I think the timing thing was the biggest issue for this study, for the reasons you cited. Obviously inventory changes and changes quickly. Sending testers in months apart really didn't make sense to me.
So funny the anger and apologists for what is simple reality. Newsday didn't set this up or create some narrative. They candid camera'd a bundle of agents and caught them overtly steering BASED ON RACE. Moderator cut: language removed
is so hard to comprehend about that?! It's not a lib v con issue or anything else. It's the reality of a place built on extreme white flight AND it's the norm for most everywhere in the country, not just LI, because people of all races tend to be inherently fearful, prejudiced and passively-racist. So just admit it and accept it. We were ground zero for suburban development, and so ground zero for the exposing of historic racist housing tendencies. Using Bezos and Gates as some far flung analogy is just silly. This is about family A being treated completely differently than family B despite every metric (except race) being equal. They got busted. I know in the Trump era, BS excuses and off-topic deflections beat the actual crime every time, but it doesn't change the reality. The difference here is that the RE agents are doing EXACTLY what the market desires (to some degree) and it's the people who have to look in the mirror and decide if this is the best thing long term or not. As a NYer it's hard to say. Passive racism is as NY as pizza and bagels and when you live paycheck to paycheck, paying $3500/mo to live in a Levitt cape, "there goes the neighborhood" is very real to you and causes more economic fear then social. Plus as LI gets more unaffordable for the young and old (and in between), people will be more quick to blow off the old covenants of only selling to "whoever" and will sell to whoever flashes the most green. Good or bad, RE agents are actually front line workers in local nimby control.
Are you not posting this from a gated community which is 5/6's white, with its own police force?
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If you lived in way better places for less, why are you still here? Why did you move back? If LI sucks so much, why didn't you stay where you were?
"They all come back" Happy wife, happy life. I came back to Seagate in Brooklyn and loved it, 20 years ago. I sold a nice house in Texas which I also enjoyed. Wife wanted to stay on LI. She has regretted not buying in Brooklyn or Manhattan ever since. I'm here until the kid graduates. Then he can have the house if he wants it. Unless values tank AGAIN like in 2008. Then I'll be here loving it and working full time until I'm 85 if there are any jobs left at all. Oh, and by far and away, most DO NOT COME BACK. Even Trump is making the move to God's waiting room. He says NY is TOO EXPENSIVE!!! Maybe he's struggling, too!"
11-01-2019, 05:28 PM monstermagnet
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If you lived in way better places for less, why are you still here? Why did you move back? If LI sucks so much, why didn't you stay where you were?
"They all come back" Happy wife, happy life. I came back to Seagate in Brooklyn and loved it, 20 years ago. I sold a nice house in Texas which I also enjoyed. Wife wanted to stay on LI. She has regretted not buying in Brooklyn or Manhattan ever since. I'm here until the kid graduates. Then he can have the house if he wants it. Unless values tank AGAIN like in 2008. Then I'll be here loving it and working full time until I'm 85 if there are any jobs left at all. Oh, and by far and away, most DO NOT COME BACK. Even Trump is making the move to God's waiting room. He says NY is TOO EXPENSIVE!!! Maybe he's struggling, too!"
My bad. Must've been some other monstermagnet.
He lives in Nassau County. See the part where "the wife wanted to stay on LI" and "she has regretted not buying in Brooklyn or Manhattan ever since?"
Go back a little farther in his posting history to not look like a recent stalker.
From today's Newsday article:
Susan Lagville, a longtime housing advocate in Huntington, said she was surprised to learn of evidence that real estate agents were steering Hispanic people to neighborhoods north of 25A, which traditionally has been predominantly white.
So now they are mad because Hispanics were in fact encouraged to go and purchase in the White majority areas? First they ***** that Hispanics were only shown properties in Hispanic areas and now they complain about Hispanics being "steered" into white areas. I thought that was encouraging diversity, but now that too is steering.
Just goes to show you how useless the whole series of articles is.
From today's Newsday article:
Susan Lagville, a longtime housing advocate in Huntington, said she was surprised to learn of evidence that real estate agents were steering Hispanic people to neighborhoods north of 25A, which traditionally has been predominantly white.
So now they are mad because Hispanics were in fact encouraged to go and purchase in the White majority areas? First they ***** that Hispanics were only shown properties in Hispanic areas and now they complain about Hispanics being "steered" into white areas. I thought that was encouraging diversity, but now that too is steering.
Just goes to show you how useless the whole series of articles is.
Interesting - wonder if the point is that they pushed the Huntington SD #3 on them....but yeah I grew up in Huntington and my reaction to that is "so?" They got pushed to Halesite??? That was the gateway to huntington bay where all the rich kids lived when I grew up.
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