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Old 05-01-2017, 02:29 PM
 
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NYS is already a very expensive place to live. Reason being is that it's a blue state with liberal policies.
The newspaper floated a number today (without attribution) that actually emanated from the lips of our head clown;

The average home owner in NYC would lose $5,500; I am sure the number on LI would actually be higher.
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Old 05-01-2017, 02:55 PM
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How are my STATE and SCHOOL taxes going back to poor states?


They are not - did you see the words "federal taxes". Right there in the sentence you quoted.
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Old 05-01-2017, 02:56 PM
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The newspaper floated a number today (without attribution) that actually emanated from the lips of our head clown;

The average home owner in NYC would lose $5,500; I am sure the number on LI would actually be higher.
SO WHAT!?! I will lose money also, but I don't want other States to subsidize us, just like I don't want to subsidize other States. It is time for Albany to come to terms with the sky-high local taxes. Maybe this will trigger a change for local taxes.

By the way, I have 0% clue how you make up the $5,500 number. We don't even know any details: if your tax bracket drops from 28% to 15%, the difference in this will more then make up the loss of tax deductions.

Right now I would say most people are in the 25% bracket in NYS (filing married): $75,301 to $151,900. If your state taxes are $15,000 you would lose $3,750 (25% x $15,000 - still not sure where the $5,500 comes from). Let's assume the 25% bracket becomes a 15% bracket and you make $100,000. Your income will rise by $10,000. Deduct $3,750 and you still get a nice $6,750 tax cut.
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Old 05-01-2017, 02:58 PM
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SO WHAT!?! I will lose money also,but I don't want other States to subsidize us, just like I don't want to subsidize other States. It is time for Albany to come to terms with the sky-high local taxes. Maybe this will trigger a change for local taxes.

By the way, I have 0% clue how you make up the $5,500 number. We don't even know any details: if your tax bracket drops from 28% to 15%, the difference in this will more then make up the loss of tax deductions.

Right now I would say most people are in the 25% bracket in NYS (filing married): $75,301 to $151,900. If your state taxes are $15,000 you would lose $3,750 (25% x $15,000 - still not sure where the $5,500 comes from). Let's assume the 25% bracket becomes a 15% bracket and you make $100,000. Your income will rise by $10,000. Deduct $3,750 and you still get a nice $6,750 tax cut.


NYS already does that


In addition, someone currently in the 28% tax bracket wont actually be paying 28% if they have a 401k, any itemized deductions, transit chek etc etc. Their federal tax margin rate is 28% - but their effective rate will be lower than 28%. The new rates, which dramatically reduce all those, will be actual. The difference in savings, if any, is smaller than it appears for many people.
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Old 05-01-2017, 03:08 PM
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NYS already does that


In addition, someone currently in the 28% tax bracket wont actually be paying 28% if they have a 401k, any itemized deductions, transit chek etc etc. Their federal tax margin rate is 28% - but their effective rate will be lower than 28%. The new rates, which dramatically reduce all those, will be actual. The difference in savings, if any, is smaller than it appears for many people.
I would guess that most people in the 28% bracket are net in the 25% bracket (hence my example using the 25% bracket). All of this depends the new limits for the brackets

Here's my guess
0%: $0-$25k
10% $25k-100k
15% $100k-$200k
25% $200k+

But I'm speculating. That's why it's foolish to burn the Trump administration without knowing details. Sure, people in high tax areas will get less of a tax cut. But if you think about it: how much sense does it make to deduct local taxes from federal taxes anyway?

Current brackets can be found here: 2016-2017 Tax Brackets | Bankrate.com
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Old 05-01-2017, 03:18 PM
 
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The $5,500 loss of tax effect is a number the Chuck Schumer (the crying clown) came up with that was quoted (without attribution today) in the daily news. In other words; you are going to pay more federal taxes and be effectively double taxed.
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