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You do realize that if pensions go away salaries will have to go up. You need something to draw in people to work for the different governments. Why would somebody work a lower paying salary dealing with the public all the time when they can go private sector?
Pensions for public employees were created as an insentive for people to work public service.
If pensions go away salaries will have to rise to compete with the private industry.
School wise this would be different because Most teaching jobs are public but for things like IT if pensions go away there would be a serious shortage of IT workers . I would think this would effect positions like the person working the desk of your local dmv also.
People have to learn to separate teachers salaires from Civil service employees . Most government employees do not make the Huge salaries people think they do.
Now teachers wise there are people like Home economics teachers making $130k a year who shouldn't be.
Also Getting rid of public sector unions will not do much for peoples taxes. teachers will still make a ton of money . Pensions have nothing to do with unions. They are in the state constitution. It will only give public sector employees more money to spend from their paycheck. I pay $50 - 100 from my paycheck to my union.
And reagrdless of even that, a local job (no city commute); shorter hours than in private, and greater job security than you ever get in the private sector, as well as every holiday imagineable....
The idea you won't be able to fill those jobs is a red herring.
Local authorities should exist to provide services to their locality, not as a retirment-funding safety net for ex-employees
You do realize that if pensions go away salaries will have to go up. You need something to draw in people to work for the different governments. .
Go for it. Paying a salary is done when a person retires. With the pension and retiree benefits, it just goes on and on.
And you can't be serious that only government workers deal with the public. THe private sector does too, and has to be nice or buh-bye. The government worker can do whatever the hell they want, easier to remove a limb with a pocketknife than pry a civil servant from their job.
Newflash: you don't have to be a RWNJ to be against public sector unions that rip off the taxpayers like the cop and teacher ones do ... at least not on Long Island! So the policies admired by the people who like to scream "RWNJ" are actually driving non-RWNJs further away from your overpriced public sector ideals.
Dude, I know, but we're talking about unions in general here, not just when applied to LI public sector unions. As someone pointed out, public sector pensions are a constitutional issue and wouldn't be affected by a right-to-work law. Plus, there are other huge problems like the 200+ separate districts, each with their own full staff of well-paid administrators.
As an aside, in following the Michigan situation, it appears that the dumbazz state legislature forgot that public sector unions are govered by a specially appointed panel, not the legislature, so this right-to-work law may not affect them at all. :golfclap:
This is true to an extent, but unions are not why the jobs left. Globalization made it possible to manufacture while paying workers overseas pennies with no benefits. American workers can't compete with that, unions or not. Either we put laws in place to protect them, or accept that those jobs aren't coming back. No company would bring them back until it is profitable to do so, or they are forced by law.
Somehow Germany remains an industrial powerhouse despite unionization, high wages and benefits for workers. Maybe we could learn something from them. Oh, sorry, 'Merica is always right.
Actually some of those jobs are coming back as wages grow overseas.
German business and their unions don't have the same adverserial relationship that we do here in the states.
The essential principle behind right-to-work legislation should not get lost in the shuffle: No one should be forced to join a union against his or her will. It is antithetical to a free people to have the state invest unions with the power to collude on labor costs and take union dues against employees’ will. Liberals are in favor of forcing employees to join a union; conservatives are in favor of allowing employees to choose not to and to protect employees’ property rights against compulsory dues deduction.
Back in HS I got a job in a supermarket for the summer. Despite it being a fill in job while the regular clerk was away, I was given no choice but to join the union. Made minimum wage for 16-20 hours a week, yet the union still had to wet it's beak.
Back in HS I got a job in a supermarket for the summer. Despite it being a fill in job while the regular clerk was away, I was given no choice but to join the union. Made minimum wage for 16-20 hours a week, yet the union still had to wet it's beak.
Ugh same here. That was a one-summer job. Moved onto waitressing after that - more suitable for someone who doesn't need to be hand-held anyway!
The only unions doing well on LI are the public service unions, the logic that our unions elevate the middle class borders on the absurd. Maybe that is the case in some states, but seems like it's quite the opposite effect, trickle down has not worked very well.
The bill in Michigan didn't remove bargaining power, just the requirement to join a union. Why should someone who doesn't want to be a member of a union be forced to join.
Go try and sell that crap to a union construction worker who is making far more, is subject to higher safety standards, and will have a pension when he retires in his mid-50s while the non union guy is still busting his ass for lower wages with no pension.
Oh the horror, BeeHave. You had the freedom to work someplace else if you didn't want to pay the dues.
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