Is Los Vegas ghetto? (Las Vegas: tenants, landlord, place to live)
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I remember when "He's a LAS VEGAS NATIVE" carried a lot of clout
Man, isn't that the truth. That statement, if spoken by a true native, does still carry a fair amount of weight in some circles. Yea, it might boil down to, who knows who, but then that goes back to a mans' word being his honor and a handshake sealing a done deal. Doors commonly closed, might often open when your history within the city dates further back than your last birthday.
I kinda laugh when I hear the new transient say, " the only way to get a job in Vegas, is to know somebody". Hell, it was like that "back in the day"....only difference, everybody had a face, a name, and a past. Most folks were treated like a friend, they had not yet met, until proven differently.
Speaking for myself, I see the urban sprawl, overbuilding, and influx of people, to Vegas, from a social and economic standpoint, regression. This was a small town, in the middle of the desert, with the primary "industry"....gaming. Then came the fascination with 360 days of sunshine and suddenly Vegas is "the hot spot". Demand for the same public services that were "back home"....suddenly became demanded by the recent settler...up go the taxes, and down went the quality of life
It doesn't take a newcomer long to realize that the nightlife and "gaming" only go so far,and that sun gets mighty warm about mid July. Couple that with a possible water shortage, overcrowding in schools, high taxes etc. and Vegas becomes a distant memory. Us long timers are then left with the footprints of those that, came, saw, and failed to conquer.
There will always be a Vegas, but there will never be a Vegas from "back in the day"....I am thankful for having enjoyed the privilege and pleasure of knowing it....way back then..
Man, isn't that the truth. That statement, if spoken by a true native, does still carry a fair amount of weight in some circles. Yea, it might boil down to, who knows who, but then that goes back to a mans' word being his honor and a handshake sealing a done deal. Doors commonly closed, might often open when your history within the city dates further back than your last birthday.
I kinda laugh when I hear the new transient say, " the only way to get a job in Vegas, is to know somebody". Hell, it was like that "back in the day"....only difference, everybody had a face, a name, and a past. Most folks were treated like a friend, they had not yet met, until proven differently.
Speaking for myself, I see the urban sprawl, overbuilding, and influx of people, to Vegas, from a social and economic standpoint, regression. This was a small town, in the middle of the desert, with the primary "industry"....gaming. Then came the fascination with 360 days of sunshine and suddenly Vegas is "the hot spot". Demand for the same public services that were "back home"....suddenly became demanded by the recent settler...up go the taxes, and down went the quality of life
It doesn't take a newcomer long to realize that the nightlife and "gaming" only go so far,and that sun gets mighty warm about mid July. Couple that with a possible water shortage, overcrowding in schools, high taxes etc. and Vegas becomes a distant memory. Us long timers are then left with the footprints of those that, came, saw, and failed to conquer.
There will always be a Vegas, but there will never be a Vegas from "back in the day"....I am thankful for having enjoyed the privilege and pleasure of knowing it....way back then..
Cheez, you sound like me. Are we related? There are several of us who feel the same way, but we already lost the battle to the greedy politicians who wouldn't control growth. Instead, they held out their hands behind them like extinct show room captains showing the developers to their seats down front. I decided the anti-Californication rage I was feeling was killing me so now I just go with the flow.
Cheez, you sound like me. Are we related? There are several of us who feel the same way, but we already lost the battle to the greedy politicians who wouldn't control growth. Instead, they held out their hands behind them like extinct show room captains showing the developers to their seats down front. I decided the anti-Californication rage I was feeling was killing me so now I just go with the flow.
You are a wise man, the internal rage will take it's toll. However, Vegas still has one unique quality, that it had then ,as it has now. The nature of the beast, will and has consumed more than one visitor/transplant and the fittest will survive...
I think back to recent (past 10-15 years) local elections won by people that, "back in the day" couldn't get an audience with a stone wall. Enter the puppet...I'm sure the Federal Bureau of Prisons appreciates our patronage from active participation by local political leaders....talk about job security.
Long time residents and natives will all state that they have seen good times...and not so good times in Vegas.....but never times like this !
I don't hold alot of sympathy for the recent influx of golddiggers that lost thier ars...I think out loud to those that did and say...."No Junior, ya can't buy a 500K home on a $ 9 dollar an hour wage"...I do however feel terrible for those old timers that saw taxes, utilities etc. rocket thru the roof, all in the sake of "progress".
"Back in the day" quality of life was not based on the size of your mortgage payment. Yea, there were those rich folks livin "over in the circle"....but outside that wall....everyone was treated the same and if you lived in my neighborhood, and didn't own a pick up truck, you were either lost or soon to own one...
As a wise, old, long time resident, very successful businessman, and true gentleman once told me...I share with you on the subject of survivin in Vegas..."Be seen, but seldom heard, keep yer head low, and yer powder dry....and when the shootin stops...ya might be the proud owner of a fancy new side arm...or may two, if both idiots can shoot"...and ALWAYS hold a door for a lady! He was right....on all three points...
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Pass the grain of salt. I have heard this same sad story about the good old days in all sorts of places. Sounds just about the same and has a small element of truth.
But no taxes in Nevada have not gone through the roof. About the same as they have been relatively to the US for some years.
And crime has not increased. It has gone down over the last 20 years.
It may well have grown too much or too fast. But boy will you find the fingerprints of locals all over that growth. And if you try and stop it then the Californicators are taking over and screwing the long term residents out of the right to make the best use of their land.
I think the native born have this piece of con man built in. Libertarian only as long as it suits there aim.
I think now is a really great time to do something to control growth. Establish policies that limit it to that which is reasonably accomodated by the growth in infrastructure.
You know who will beat the propositions of this sort to death with a stick?..
Pass the grain of salt. I have heard this same sad story about the good old days in all sorts of places. Sounds just about the same and has a small element of truth.
But no taxes in Nevada have not gone through the roof. About the same as they have been relatively to the US for some years.
And crime has not increased. It has gone down over the last 20 years.
It may well have grown too much or too fast. But boy will you find the fingerprints of locals all over that growth. And if you try and stop it then the Californicators are taking over and screwing the long term residents out of the right to make the best use of their land.
I think the native born have this piece of con man built in. Libertarian only as long as it suits there aim.
I think now is a really great time to do something to control growth. Establish policies that limit it to that which is reasonably accomodated by the growth in infrastructure.
You know who will beat the propositions of this sort to death with a stick?..
The good old boys born or raised here...
Wanna bet....
Spoken like a true real estate agent. Gotta wonder, were u any part of the boom and bust ?....I'm sure not ! How many of those "speculators" were real estate agents...how many are now trying to snatch the foreclosures up, some they had previously played a major role in selling to unqualified buyers. You seem to be quite sharp with the numbers, when they work in your favor. Crime has decreased, based on the population growth....don't think so chief. You are basing your opinion on an index...which is reported by those who benefit most from showing a "decrease in numbers". And as you well know, numbers are simply numbers.
If y'all think us "native" folks have that "con man" built in...why are u squatin on our tainted turf....I heard they were really looking for good RE agents in Seattle..markets boomin I heard...bus leaves every day !
Yes, we have had our fair share of locals...or people claiming that title, that have certainly let greed and corruption ruin thier lives, and this city, and it's national reputation in the process.
But to catagorize all "natives" as convenient Libertarians or worse yet con men.....well thats kinda like sayin Vegas has two kinds of hookers.....those that sell it by the hour.....and those that just sell it...
Gotta admit, I'm kinda disappointed. Read some of your previous posts and respected your view, just goes to show....never judge a book by the cover they keep...RE business sure ain't what it was....and it shows...
Gotta head out now, some of us "ol locals" got a game of 3 card monty goin...
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Originally Posted by jfkIII
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Originally Posted by aqualung8705
Whale tails? Sure, those are those big, goofy looking wings that some import tuners have, ne?
Aerodynamic downforce is necessary for the daily commute to the mall.
Spoken like a true real estate agent. Gotta wonder, were u any part of the boom and bust ?....I'm sure not ! How many of those "speculators" were real estate agents...how many are now trying to snatch the foreclosures up, some they had previously played a major role in selling to unqualified buyers.
Well in the runup I sold mostly to retirees and locals. Most did OK. Most of our clients paid cash or close to it. Got a few that were unable to sell. We strongly recommend that people not sell...but lease for a year or two or three. We make less money now but we and they will do better later.
I wold also point out that I don't do the RE bit when playing local resident. But some turkey is always jumping on it. I guess it makes them feel superior. Really strange that people need that.
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You seem to be quite sharp with the numbers, when they work in your favor. Crime has decreased, based on the population growth....don't think so chief. You are basing your opinion on an index...which is reported by those who benefit most from showing a "decrease in numbers". And as you well know, numbers are simply numbers.
You are really not very good at this. Crime has decreased in everywhere in the US and by a factor of better than two overall in the last twenty years.
Las Vegas has done about the same as other similar size cities.
And I base my opinion on the DofJ statistics which is the only reasonable way to tell anything about crime. If you really think they cheat now what do you think they did twenty years ago?
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If y'all think us "native" folks have that "con man" built in...why are u squatin on our tainted turf....I heard they were really looking for good RE agents in Seattle..markets boomin I heard...bus leaves every day !
Yes, we have had our fair share of locals...or people claiming that title, that have certainly let greed and corruption ruin thier lives, and this city, and it's national reputation in the process.
At this point I am a card carrying local. Been here 13 years which makes me senior to over 60% of the population. Came here for a year as it was convenient to Los Angeles but out of the rat race. Decided to stay. Don't regret that choice. However have lost far too much skin in battles with developers to get gaga over locals. We have found the enemy...and they is us.
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But to catagorize all "natives" as convenient Libertarians or worse yet con men.....well thats kinda like sayin Vegas has two kinds of hookers.....those that sell it by the hour.....and those that just sell it...
Actally "natives" was wrong. Should have said "locals"
And it was also unfair to say "all". However if you look at the real problems who do you find behind them..."locals". When someone wants to beat the zoning code and build 4 homes on a parcel zoned for two...who is it? A local.
If you try and set up rules to slow the development to the rate at which it can be absorbed who is it that raises all the libertarian issues which often carry the day? A local.
Who makes sure that no meaningful rules are established to regulate growth? A large group of primarily locals.
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Gotta admit, I'm kinda disappointed. Read some of your previous posts and respected your view, just goes to show....never judge a book by the cover they keep...RE business sure ain't what it was....and it shows...
Gotta head out now, some of us "ol locals" got a game of 3 card monty goin...
Only place in the world where we play 3 card monty against each other.
Well in the runup I sold mostly to retirees and locals. Most did OK. Most of our clients paid cash or close to it. Got a few that were unable to sell. We strongly recommend that people not sell...but lease for a year or two or three. We make less money now but we and they will do better later.
I wold also point out that I don't do the RE bit when playing local resident. But some turkey is always jumping on it. I guess it makes them feel superior. Really strange that people need that.
Ok...a selective real estate agent....gottcha...Well if my math is correct and you have been in town 13 years...you were here for the bang and bust. Now if during that bang, and some retiree paid cash for that over inflated property, they sure aren't "doing OK"...if that cash was their retirement....I wasn't selectively picking on your career choice...but you have to admit....RE agents did a lot of people a grave injustice. I have a real good friend...an attorney (hate to admit it but....an attorney) now going after several of that chosen profession for conduct....less than ethical...during that "bang and bust"....
You are really not very good at this. Crime has decreased in everywhere in the US and by a factor of better than two overall in the last twenty years.
Las Vegas has done about the same as other similar size cities.
And I base my opinion on the DofJ statistics which is the only reasonable way to tell anything about crime. If you really think they cheat now what do you think they did twenty years ago?
Take an Intro to Criminal Justice class in your spare time...101 level. They will explain how those Department of Justice numbers are calculated. You also have to consider population....crime index as reported....and if you want to crunch numbers...certified police officers within said area of study. Follow that up with an AOJ stats class, and they will further clarify any confusion. I'm not suggests those numbers are bogus....just that everything id not always as it might appear.
I know first hand what the situation was here 20 years ago,,,I was part of it ! Less people...less cops....less factual "reportable violent crime"....there is a clue in that last statement. And BTW...."back in the day" three kids standing on a corner was a gang....Much of that "gang influence" came from yer ol home town.....
At this point I am a card carrying local. Been here 13 years which makes me senior to over 60% of the population. Came here for a year as it was convenient to Los Angeles but out of the rat race. Decided to stay. Don't regret that choice. However have lost far too much skin in battles with developers to get gaga over locals. We have found the enemy...and they is us.
Got ya beat on that one.....by about 3 decades...two directly involved with the street. And all that I can say is....many of those "developers" came from somewhere else....California was not exempt from that elite group.
Actally "natives" was wrong. Should have said "locals"
What qualifies as a "local"...a drivers license, tags,and a couple freebee cards from the local casinos...After 13 years I'm sure you have lost a little hide...come on back in another 30 years or so and we will comapre notes....or hide sacrified....til then...enjoy the ride !
And it was also unfair to say "all". However if you look at the real problems who do you find behind them..."locals". When someone wants to beat the zoning code and build 4 homes on a parcel zoned for two...who is it? A local.
You are right. "Back in the day", long before you ever set foot in this valley we experienced an influx of people.claiming to be local, and buying their way into the politicians good graces...In a previous text I referred to those individuals as ...Puppets....it's sad but true....Most were NOT native, and many were "local" in thier eyes only. I personally know or knew some of those folks, some didn't fair well when that attempt to re-zone hit the "hood"....if you get my drift.
By that time, much of the older native influence was aging, and the local gaming industry was being taken over by wall street. If you notice, most long time folks tend to sit silent.....until somebody calls us out...I knew a guy that used to tell the story..."I have a brother...he's a politican, and a sister...she works at the Bunny Ranch.....I love my sister"...thats funny....I don't care who ya are..
If you try and set up rules to slow the development to the rate at which it can be absorbed who is it that raises all the libertarian issues which often carry the day? A local.
See above...."local" does not translate into "native" in my eyes.
Who makes sure that no meaningful rules are established to regulate growth? A large group of primarily locals.
Those "rules" are established by councils...elected by.....the people. In a town with less transit population....it would not happen. Based on your figures, with 60% of the population having lived here less than 13 years....what do you expect. Does clueless ring a bell ?
I quantify my views on first hand knowledge and experience. My family dates back over 50 years....I've been here a little while....raised a family here, and believe it or not...Vegas will always be home....
For us that have endured the good and bad....well this is kinda like seeing your first born buried....It shouldn't be that way! Have there been way too many back room deals...you bet....do you think we like it any better than you....think again....I have a vested interest here...I'm not from...somewhere else...period.
Only place in the world where we play 3 card monty against each other.
Well, we tried to find a RE agent to play with....but they were all busy...lookin for second jobs...
Well, we tried to find a RE agent to play with....but they were all busy...lookin for second jobs...
Actually there are lots of natives among the "locals". Though I agree they are not all natives. But they all really do live here and permanently.
The influence of the Casinos and developers on local politics is famous or infamous depending on your view. Both in my mind are locals.
That says you don't know any good RE Agents. Right now is a very fine time for the business. 2008 was our best year and 2009 looks a good bit better.
Not that there are not lots of starving RE Agents. Nature of the business. But the good ones make reasonable money...and don't play 3 card Monty with anyone.
Yes sir, I do know a couple RE Agents/Brokers/Owners....are they good...I dunno, but they should be, considering they hung their license back in the 70's. I knew a few that "got in the wind" also. Hell, I think one or two might even be related, twice removed according to the family. I heard it was also a great time for collection agencys and repo men...don't care much for them either !
Ya see, some of us natives do have a heart. Watchin those folks lose thier homes, families, and future in a blind drunk fit of stupidity is sad, and the vultures that preyed on those folks....well I believe, what goes around.....comes around.
Gotta wonder how many "speculators" are divin in for another go-round, I heard a few ! Short sales are hell on a man's patience, wouldn't ya say. Lots of foreclosures, can't understand why the lenders are sittin on them...can't help but wonder if that isn't another numbers game......ya think ?
Well Sir, I have about 15 acres sittin out there in your neck of the woods. We coulda sold it, several times during the bang/boom, but being old and stubborn has it's drawbacks. Some of those fast talkin developers were beggin to take it off my hands...I swear to God...worse than the railroad back in the 1800's. There is something to be said for vacant desert. In your travels you might find several of those big ol undeveloped lots out there in the North//North West, a few, owed by natives, that didn't sell out.
Be nice to us natives, cuz ya see, if it wasn't for us, you wouldn't have anything to sell and/or talk about, because Vegas was here long before both of us and will, in some fashion be here, long after we are gone. We are all just kinda "short term caretakers". Nothing is permanent.
A ghetto they ask....Tell em.....Hell no, but "back in the day" it sure was a much more pleasant way of livin. Tell em a native said so !
Thanks for gettin me straight on that native verses local thing....ya would think after about 50 years I coulda fiqured that out....The natives are local too....hallalooya
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