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I have been here for about 4 years. Its the worst I hate it with a passion. Its not a good place to raise kids there's nothing to do with them. Its a shame that you must walk into a casino to go to a buffet with children. And the educational system is a JOKE. I'm at a lost where there is million dollar casino's and you can't pay a teacher to educate our children. Crime, now that a whole different ball bag it's unbelievable, you have cops that are very gun happy out here they have the habit of shot unarmed young black males, and boy oh boy don't you dare try to deliver a pizza in the north side. Well as soon as I'm done with school I'm out of here........
You can always try next door in CA? they have great schools for you kids, and maybe they can learn spanish and join one of the thousands of street gangs. Cops also shoot people in the back while a..black or white.
More educated people would be nice, but why would they be here? Service industry, and the support for it dictates LV. Those who thirst for knowledge seem to gravitate to areas known for this---SF, NY, Boston, etc.
I have a PhD and I moved here to do scientific research. I like it better than I thought I would, so maybe LV is underrated? I don't think I would want to make it my permanent home, but I've been here about a year and I'm not starved for culture yet. I've lived in DC and SF, which I prefer to Vegas in a lot of ways, but it's so much cheaper here (I could actually buy a house if I were going to stay and settle down, whereas I don't know if that would be possible for many years, if ever, in SF) and I really enjoy all the fabulous hiking in the area.
Having lived in Vegas for 7 years, where I started a successful IT consultancy that I sold last year for a good profit, I can say that Vegas in some respects isn't as bad as some make it out to be. If you have a specific skill set (particularly in IT) you can make a good living. The big problem for Vegas for awhile was the inflated house market which has corrected itself. As far as the educational system, I really can not comment since after hearing the horror stories about CCSD we chose to enroll our little one in private school. There is crime, being a very transient town one should expect that, also with CA and their 3 strike policy, NV allows a felon to move to a relatively close state and start fresh (either in life or crime). Vegas is a city driven by the casino industry, and barring a complete collapse of that (which I dont see) it will continue to do so. Companies like MS, Oracle, etc arent going to move shop from Cali where they are closer to more industry specific schools like Berkley--its nuts to even think they would, perhaps a regional sales office but given the close proximity to LA that also is unlikely.
Vegas is what you make of it--plain and simple. We didnt like it because of a-the heat in the summer, and b-didnt want to raise a child there, and yes I know its about parenting but eventually the child is influenced by his surroundings and friends--and what happens in Vegas is more accessable and acceptable than it is in other places. Also, I didnt like the language barrier
I have to give Vegas props because it is where I started my first business, and I learned alot from the experience.
Once again it is what it is, and some people love it and some dont but all in all its what you make of it
Oracle contains educated workers, they would be very unhappy in Las Vegas, the Bay Area offers many more cultural opportunities for those higher-educated, higher-paid citizens...
herein lies what i see as a common problem with many posts stating LV lacks culture therefore can't attracted educated people. now bear w/ me on this:
just because someone has gone on and received 'higher education' does not mean they crave 'high culture'. the converse is also true....simply because someone chose not to pursue 'education' does not mean they don't appreciate culture. b4 i continue, let me be perfectly clear here...IMHO, a great mechanic or craftsman has just as much 'education' as a PhD or MD, it is just a different area of expertise. it is their expertise that makes them great at what they do just as it is a doctors education that gives them the skills to do what they do.
but i digress - are you guys trying to say a mechanic can't like the arts, a craftsman can't appreciate music? are you saying that a doctor can't like boozin' it up or 4-wheeling in the desert? (not at the same time, of course)
just as people have different areas of expertise, they have different ways they like to spend there time. i'm a scientist by trade, and as such, i have had the opportunity (some might say misfortune ...i kid, i kid ) to hang out w/ a lot of other scientists...and i can say that regardless where we were (LA, SF, Chicago, Boston, etc.) we didn't gravitate to the "cultural" meccas of those towns...we hit the bars, the restaurants, the fun spots (hmmm....that kinda sounds a bit like what LV is known for....)
now you could make the argument (and you'd pbby be right) that the percentage of people who want cultural stimulation tips toward those quote-unquote educated types. but it is a massive generalization (again IMO) to say that LV can't attract educated people because it lacks culture.
I'm a doctor/physician and I don't care for arts seen in museums, art exhibits, on TV. It doesn't stimulate me. My passion is reading (fiction, non fiction) besides watching a nice movie. I know many similar trade colleagues also do not care for such "arts". I went to Vegas mainly because I wanted to be near my siblings who have their families across in CA state. The CA medical licensing board takes soooooooooooooooo darn long to approve medical licensing application that it is just not worth the hassle to apply. Plus the many taxes in CA turned me off and the horrendous traffic I exerpienced many times when I went to visit. IN retrospect, I actually should have chosen the Reno job I was offered 2 years ago. Vegas is not for my family long term so I am just basically doing my job here and enjoying the sunshine until I decide on my next major move (which of course invovle long term commitment and eventual house buy). I will say I'm not looking for "higher culture" on my next move; issues I will take into consideration include cost of living, good governance, safety concerns about the community, a more stable population (e.g. less transient), confidence in the health care system (believe me I know a lot of doctors in this town and I would not send myself nor family to them, I have seen superior medical AND bedside care by both doctors and nurses in Virginia). This town has kinda grown on us and we will be sentimental about it for sure; it is not for us to live in long term though, based on our value system mostly. (sheesh I just wrote a good bye note already and I'm not leaving yet! ).
being interested in reading, wouldn't you like more used book stores, which would be something that we are lacking in? higher culture doesn't mean more museums or art exhibits, it also means bookstores and music clubs and other things too
I got like over 50 books of Agatha Christie; it would fun to hunt the others in used books stores. Yes I agree that higher culture is not limited to what I mentioned; however the point of the diatribe was to underscore guineesjim's narrative of a massive generalization he alluded to your earlier post.
Is life in metro LV really that bad? Doesn't metro LV rank at, or near the bottom of nearly every good list, and, at, or near the top of nearly every bad list? Does this say something about the quality of those who have relocated to metro LV?
Just have to say, I think this is one of the most stupid questions I have read here and I have read some doozies. BUT, I have a thing for commenting on stupid posts (ex: all of Lex's) so...
Who cares? The people who relocate to LV do so for many reasons. Some may be for work, weather, the desert lifestyle, family, lower COL, whatever. If they want to relocate for reasons such as a massive dose of culture or great health systems, then they didn't do their homework and may well be disappointed. That would be like relocating to the UP in MI. Ridiculous.
Does that mean the people who do move here are less educated? That's silly too. So, is that to say that Chicago or SF houses all the educated people? Who cares? Yet, both places have crime, their share of crappy education and unsuccessful people. Would they be considered overrated? Consider your sources, but that is difficult considering you have no way of knowing who your sources really are as they sit behind their computer screen, do you?
How can you possibly expect to post this question on a LV board and get anything more than opinions based on experiences? Sure there may be some facts cited, but those facts are searched and cited based on what the poster feels. A person who did not have a good personal experience in LV will search for the negative links and vice-versa for the person who did have a good experience.
Either you just wanted to stir the pot here or you are not as smart as I thought you were.
I'm a doctor/physician and I don't care for arts seen in museums, art exhibits, on TV. It doesn't stimulate me. My passion is reading (fiction, non fiction) besides watching a nice movie. I know many similar trade colleagues also do not care for such "arts". I went to Vegas mainly because I wanted to be near my siblings who have their families across in CA state. The CA medical licensing board takes soooooooooooooooo darn long to approve medical licensing application that it is just not worth the hassle to apply. Plus the many taxes in CA turned me off and the horrendous traffic I exerpienced many times when I went to visit. IN retrospect, I actually should have chosen the Reno job I was offered 2 years ago. Vegas is not for my family long term so I am just basically doing my job here and enjoying the sunshine until I decide on my next major move (which of course invovle long term commitment and eventual house buy). I will say I'm not looking for "higher culture" on my next move; issues I will take into consideration include cost of living, good governance, safety concerns about the community, a more stable population (e.g. less transient), confidence in the health care system (believe me I know a lot of doctors in this town and I would not send myself nor family to them, I have seen superior medical AND bedside care by both doctors and nurses in Virginia). This town has kinda grown on us and we will be sentimental about it for sure; it is not for us to live in long term though, based on our value system mostly. (sheesh I just wrote a good bye note already and I'm not leaving yet! ).
So, you say you wouldn't send your family to the drs here. Are you working here in the medical field? Do you believe yourself to be a dr. that I could come to without feeling the fear you feel about the healthcare in LV?
In your professional opinion, what is the problem with the medical staff in LV? Besides money. I never did see a dr there, my husband has and was fine with the drs he went to. He is much more trusting than me as far as the medical field goes. I do not trust any drs. No matter how good they are. I don't like them and I generally think that because they went to school as long as they did they think they are far superior than anyone else. I cannot stand that mentality and when I am in need of a service that I am paying for, I should get respect regardless of what they think of my status in life.
I have spent alot of time dealing with doctors. Supposedly great ones at U-M, Henry Ford, Karmanos and Wm. Beaumont in MI. Didn't see much difference at all. There were very, very few who stood out. In fact, I can think of maybe one or two drs and about a half dozen nurses. That's sad.
So, you say you wouldn't send your family to the drs here. Are you working here in the medical field? Do you believe yourself to be a dr. that I could come to without feeling the fear you feel about the healthcare in LV?
In your professional opinion, what is the problem with the medical staff in LV? Besides money. I never did see a dr there, my husband has and was fine with the drs he went to. He is much more trusting than me as far as the medical field goes. I do not trust any drs. No matter how good they are. I don't like them and I generally think that because they went to school as long as they did they think they are far superior than anyone else. I cannot stand that mentality and when I am in need of a service that I am paying for, I should get respect regardless of what they think of my status in life.
I have spent alot of time dealing with doctors. Supposedly great ones at U-M, Henry Ford, Karmanos and Wm. Beaumont in MI. Didn't see much difference at all. There were very, very few who stood out. In fact, I can think of maybe one or two drs and about a half dozen nurses. That's sad.
I don't know about all the different doctors, but my husband has to see an endocrinologist. In all of Vegas, only 9 our contracted with our insurance. And those 9 are packed. I called a few starting in October and some were booked until MARCH!! And some have downright scary reviews online. Any time people feel the need to go to an internet review site to negatively rate a doctor, something must have really sucked about them.
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) to hang out w/ a lot of other scientists...and i can say that regardless where we were (LA, SF, Chicago, Boston, etc.) we didn't gravitate to the "cultural" meccas of those towns...we hit the bars, the restaurants, the fun spots (hmmm....that kinda sounds a bit like what LV is known for....)
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