[winter-rabbit]

Originally Posted by NLVgal

You flirting with me again, wabbit?

The older areas of NLV are truly scary. Aliante and Eldorado? No. You just have to be careful about HS zoning for kids.

[Everdeen]

North Las Vegas, until several decades ago, was a small, impoverished, crime infested area.

Prior to the Civil Rights Era, the demographic was predominantly low income, black, as black people were not allowed to stay on the strip or were run out of neighborhoods in Las Vegas. (Even Sammy Davis Jr. had to come in through the back of the casinos and then was usher out after performances) Although there is still an inner city core that is pretty rough, the city has grown and many of the neighborhoods are perfectly fine, middle class neighborhoods.

The stigma still stays. Thirty years ago, I wouldn't go near North Las Vegas. Now I live and work there. There are people who want to perpetuate the myth that it is still an awful place to live. The reality is that Las Vegas has the same types of bad areas that is present in North Las Vegas.

[Kalbo]

I hope nobody thinks section 8 housing only exists in NLV that problem exists in neighborhoods all over Clark County. There are many parts of NLV that are nice. Fact of the matter is not much difference between Las Vegas and NLVs good and bad parts in both cities, and both fall under the same school district.

[von949]

Originally Posted by Everdeen

North Las Vegas, until several decades ago, was a small, impoverished, crime infested area.

Prior to the Civil Rights Era, the demographic was predominantly low income, black, as black people were not allowed to stay on the strip or were run out of neighborhoods in Las Vegas. (Even Sammy Davis Jr. had to come in through the back of the casinos and then was usher out after performances) Although there is still an inner city core that is pretty rough, the city has grown and many of the neighborhoods are perfectly fine, middle class neighborhoods.

The stigma still stays. Thirty years ago, I wouldn't go near North Las Vegas. Now I live and work there. There are people who want to perpetuate the myth that it is still an awful place to live. The reality is that Las Vegas has the same types of bad areas that is present in North Las Vegas.

Good quick history lesson. Another thing to add is that NLV keeps growing/spreading outwards past the 215 beltway.(not necessarily by population). When my wife first moved here, the Stratosphere was just opening and there were barely any homes/businesses along Craig road. I think she also said the the 215 wasn't finished either. I saw some old pictures of the pig farm around the late 1990s and there wasn't any developments around that area. Now you can count on traffic conjestion because of construction and schools letting out.

The point is that NLV was once less than 60 square miles, then 80 square miles, now 101 square miles, and devrlopers are still building. Crime didn't increase along with the growing size of the city. If anything, people in NLV are able to move further away from the riff raff.

Riff raff= Owens and Main Street area.

I think the sidewalk that is south of Owens is considered Las Vegas and the side walk that is north of Owens is considered North Las Vegas. Even though the "Welcome to North Las Vegas" sign isn't on Owens.

[von949]

Originally Posted by Kalbo

I hope nobody thinks section 8 housing only exists in NLV that problem exists in neighborhoods all over Clark County. There are many parts of NLV that are nice. Fact of the matter is not much difference between Las Vegas and NLVs good and bad parts in both cities, and both fall under the same school district.

People with section 8 vouchers with a decent amount head straight to Summerlin. Why not? They look for all the same amenities as anyone else that move to this town. Sometimes when someone makes a new thread about moving to LV, I occasionally send them a DM if I think my wife or I can help them with their search. There has been a couple of times where the OP has disclosed to me that they have an approved S8 voucher to use. They probably didn't mention this in the open thread because of the stigma attached. But oh well, by then there is already dozen posts about moving to Summerlin and Henderson.

There has been at least two threads where someone asked what areas of town were the safest for someone with kids and the replies were trying to help steer the OP away from renters and voucher holders when the OP herself was a voucher holder. Funny how that works.

[lvoc]

Originally Posted by Macklessdaddy

I'm curious as to what are people concerned with their child attending a less than desirable school,is it that he or she will not learn anything or maybe get bullied or what?

A couple of things that are different in middle versus elementary.

The weak elementary schools generally are majority limited English Speaking. (Not all but Most) They often have staffs with a large preponderance of brand new and substitute teachers. The language problem and low teacher skill creates a problem.

When you get to the middle school you begin to run into the difficult students. Again you will find the new teacher and substitute staff. The language problem may be somewhat better but the disruptive student more than makes up for it.

[BBMW]

This is a little random, but...

As the price of developable land goes up, I'm surprised the developer don't try to accumulate land buy buying out owners in some of the slummy areas that have good transportation access. If they could accumulate enough of it, they could get to the point where they could demo the crappy areas wholesale, and redevelop them cheaper than going out past the beltway and buying raw land.

[von949]

Originally Posted by lvoc

A couple of things that are different in middle versus elementary.

The weak elementary schools generally are majority limited English Speaking. (Not all but Most) They often have staffs with a large preponderance of brand new and substitute teachers. The language problem and low teacher skill creates a problem.

When you get to the middle school you begin to run into the difficult students. Again you will find the new teacher and substitute staff. The language problem may be somewhat better but the disruptive student more than makes up for it.

As a parent with a sixth grader I agree. Seems that all the limited English speaking students have disappeared this year or maybe the ESL teachers(like Scoop's wife) have done a good job. It's a whole new set of problems now like bullying, bed influences from peers, expensive electronics and pre teen stress.

[von949]

Originally Posted by BBMW

This is a little random, but...

As the price of developable land goes up, I'm surprised the developer don't try to accumulate land buy buying out owners in some of the slummy areas that have good transportation access. If they could accumulate enough of it, they could get to the point where they could demo the crappy areas wholesale, and redevelop them cheaper than going out past the beltway and buying raw land.

Like the area behind the stratosphere?(naked city)


NLV developers will eventually hit a dead end.

[lvoc]

Originally Posted by von949

People with section 8 vouchers with a decent amount head straight to Summerlin. Why not? They look for all the same amenities as anyone else that move to this town. Sometimes when someone makes a new thread about moving to LV, I occasionally send them a DM if I think my wife or I can help them with their search. There has been a couple of times where the OP has disclosed to me that they have an approved S8 voucher to use. They probably didn't mention this in the open thread because of the stigma attached. But oh well, by then there is already dozen posts about moving to Summerlin and Henderson.

There has been at least two threads where someone asked what areas of town were the safest for someone with kids and the replies were trying to help steer the OP away from renters and voucher holders when the OP herself was a voucher holder. Funny how that works.

Summerlin? Not very likely. At the moment there are a total of 35 rentals claiming Summerlin. 33 say Section 8 will not be considered. Only 2 are willing to even think about it. You will get the same result in Henderson south of the 215. You will do better in Henderson if you get north near Sunset or in old town.

The prejudice against Section 8 are alive and well. Perhaps the Apartments are more reasonable but I do not have access to those numbers.