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Old 10-01-2010, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Indiana Uplands
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Lake Michigan moderates the temperatures? Then what are all the icebreakers for?
The northern part of Lake Michigan does freeze. If you have any understanding of Michigan climate you would know that the closer you are to the lake the more clouds and lake effect you get. More clouds= warmer mins. The interior areas like Gaylord, Grayling, Houghton Lake, Cadillac, Big Rapids, ect have colder winter minimum temperatures.
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Old 10-01-2010, 07:51 PM
 
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By how much?
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Old 10-02-2010, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Indiana Uplands
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By how much?
The shoreline areas all have a pronounced microclimate which is why you have lots of orchards. Traverse City has the annual cherry festival. Holland and South Haven region have a plethora of apple orchards. The frost free season close to the shore can run from the middle of May to early October. The interior areas often have lows that are at least 10-15F colder in the winter.
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Old 10-02-2010, 01:19 PM
 
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Where did you get your climatic info? That 'close-to-the-shore, frost-free season running from mid-May to early-October' is about exactly what it is here in the frozen tundra known as Kansas.
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Old 10-02-2010, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Indiana Uplands
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Where did you get your climatic info? That 'close-to-the-shore, frost-free season running from mid-May to early-October' is about exactly what it is here in the frozen tundra known as Kansas.
I know some friends who live in TC and I have a meteorology as well as climatology background. The frost free season for interior northern lower Michigan runs from mid to late May to mid to late September by comparison on average. The colder spots run from Cadillac east to Houghton Lake- north to Gaylord. The coldest AWOS (Automated Weather Observation Station) in the northern LP is Pellston (Emmet County). Pellston is in the interior away from the lakeshore so mins are 10-15F colder compared to Harbor Springs and Petoskey on the shoreline. Summer max temps are substantially cooler due to the moderating influences of the lake as well. Therefore, the overall climate is still colder compared to many areas of the Midwest core.
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Old 10-02-2010, 10:25 PM
 
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My only experience with Michigan was when I flew for a living and overnighted in Michigan cities, including Traverse City. There were some frosty mornings there in the winter, and I could never tell that Traverse City was any warmer than any of the other cities. You still froze your unmentionables off there, too.
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Old 10-09-2010, 09:48 PM
 
Location: Indiana Uplands
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My only experience with Michigan was when I flew for a living and overnighted in Michigan cities, including Traverse City. There were some frosty mornings there in the winter, and I could never tell that Traverse City was any warmer than any of the other cities. You still froze your unmentionables off there, too.
Well, I am sure TC now has a milder climate compared to the past. Meanwhile, Grayling had a low of 21F a few days ago- so the interior areas away from the big lakes are markedly colder.
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Old 10-09-2010, 10:03 PM
 
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Well, I am sure TC now has a milder climate compared to the past.
Are you serious? This 'past' wasn't back in the Ice Age. It was the early '90s.
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