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[MarketStEl]

Originally Posted by Floorist

I don't post because of KCMO and KCKS being lumped together even though they are very dissimilar. The person running that has obviously never lived in KC.

Even so, the two cities together are part of one metropolitan area.

Minneapolis and St. Paul don't get their own forums. Nor do San Francisco and Oakland. Dallas and Fort Worth do because 30 miles separate them. The two Kansas Cities are next-door neighbors like Minneapolis and St. Paul. And even though Kansas and Missouri are different states, the metropolitan area is a single entity that transcends the state line.

[Floorist]

Originally Posted by MarketStEl

Even so, the two cities together are part of one metropolitan area.

Minneapolis and St. Paul don't get their own forums. Nor do San Francisco and Oakland. Dallas and Fort Worth do because 30 miles separate them. The two Kansas Cities are next-door neighbors like Minneapolis and St. Paul. And even though Kansas and Missouri are different states, the metropolitan area is a single entity that transcends the state line.

But both sides are completely different.

[MarketStEl]

Originally Posted by Floorist

But both sides are completely different.

That's less important outside the area than you think it is. Visit anyplace in New Jersey, for instance. The state is carved up between New York and Philadelphia, but you can tell you're in neither when you are in Newark, or Camden, or Cherry Hill, or Montclair, and so on.

State lines do make a difference, but one as easy to cross as the Missouri-Kansas border blurs that difference somewhat. Yes, you can distinguish Mission Hills from the Country Club District, but the same guy developed both. If the Chiefs move to Kansas, Missourians will travel to the stadium to watch the games. The reason most of the important civic facilities are in Missouri is because the city in Missouri is the oldest and biggest municipality in the region. Overland Park's status as the second-largest city in the region and in Kansas is of relatively recent origin — and I certainly wouldn't confuse OP with the 'Dotte, while we're about emphasizing differences. And Johnson County as we have come to know it wouldn't exist had Kansas City, Mo., not become a sizable city first. (Kansas City, Kan., would probably have come into existence anyway because of the location, but the trails ran through Westport, so the town where they could offload goods headed there grew first).

And while I'm thinking of it, let's stay on one side of the state line: would you say that Kansas City and Independence are the same place?

Hundreds of neighborhoods, 90 municipalities, 14 counties, two states, one metropolitan area.

[Floorist]

Originally Posted by MarketStEl

That's less important outside the area than you think it is. Visit anyplace in New Jersey, for instance. The state is carved up between New York and Philadelphia, but you can tell you're in neither when you are in Newark, or Camden, or Cherry Hill, or Montclair, and so on.

State lines do make a difference, but one as easy to cross as the Missouri-Kansas border blurs that difference somewhat. Yes, you can distinguish Mission Hills from the Country Club District, but the same guy developed both. If the Chiefs move to Kansas, Missourians will travel to the stadium to watch the games. The reason most of the important civic facilities are in Missouri is because the city in Missouri is the oldest and biggest municipality in the region. Overland Park's status as the second-largest city in the region and in Kansas is of relatively recent origin — and I certainly wouldn't confuse OP with the 'Dotte, while we're about emphasizing differences. And Johnson County as we have come to know it wouldn't exist had Kansas City, Mo., not become a sizable city first. (Kansas City, Kan., would probably have come into existence anyway because of the location, but the trails ran through Westport, so the town where they could offload goods headed there grew first).

And while I'm thinking of it, let's stay on one side of the state line: would you say that Kansas City and Independence are the same place?

Hundreds of neighborhoods, 90 municipalities, 14 counties, two states, one metropolitan area.

And very dissimilar. I worked all over the area.

[mizzoufan77]

Originally Posted by Floorist

And very dissimilar. I worked all over the area.

It is ONE metro area. Not really that hard to understand. Not sure why you think they wouldn't be grouped together. All the metro areas are grouped together on here. And guess what, all the other metro areas across the country aren't identical in every community across the metro.

[MarketStEl]

Originally Posted by Floorist

And very dissimilar. I worked all over the area.

SO. WHAT?

Did the point I made about New Jersey vs. Pennsylvania fly over your head?

Most bi- or multi-state metropolitan areas have areas that differ widely in character.

That does not make them separate metropolises, as you seem to want to assert.

The satellite centers remain satellites of the core city, not separate metropolitan centers of their own.

Were Kansas City, Kan., Kansas City, Mo.'s size rather than half of it, it would be treated like St. Paul is relative to similarly-sized Minneapolis. But it's not. So it gets treated like Camden, N.J., relative to Philadelphia.

And again, Ramsey County, Minn. (St. Paul) is not treated as something separate from Hennepin County (Minneapolis).

[MarketStEl]

Following myself up to remark further:

Originally Posted by MarketStEl

SO. WHAT?

That does not make them separate metropolises, as you seem to want to assert.

Actually, Floorist, judging from the comments you make in this forum, you seem to consider KCMo the seventh circle of Hell.

This puts you in the same league as those suburban Philadelphians who used to act as though nothing at all would change were an H-bomb to be dropped on Broad and Market (a local shorthand for Philadelphia City Hall, which sits astride the intersection) the next day.

Those suburbanites have since come around to understand that a healthier core city means a healthier region.

The same applies to Kansas City.

While I haven't lived there in years, I've long associated that attitude with Johnson Countians. It doesn't help Greater Kansas City any more than the similar attitude among Main Liners helped Greater Philadelphia.

If you're from the 'Dotte, your solicitousness of the smaller Kansas City is touching, but you're going about repping it the wrong way. Otherwise, you remind me why my cousins often refer to JoCo with a three-word phrase whose middle word begins with F.

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