Suburbia is left scrambling as firms relocate to cities (Kansas City: apartment, lease)

[shindig]

Originally Posted by brooksider2brooklyn

Lol. Typical KC attitude displayed well in this quote.

Ok, so let's here your argument of how KC compares to D.C.? Pretty tough huh? One is the nations capitol that draws a huge influx of people and jobs, the other is a mid-size midwestern city. Not a lot in common

[brooksider2brooklyn]

Originally Posted by shindig

Ok, so let's here your argument of how KC compares to D.C.? Pretty tough huh? One is the nations capitol that draws a huge influx of people and jobs, the other is a mid-size midwestern city. Not a lot in common

So you are saying that people in KC are not chic or sophisticated enough to like working in urban areas even if they live in suburbs? That's what KCMO was saying. You are probably correct judging by your posts and you live in KC,MO!

[MUTGR]

Originally Posted by kcmo

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...=.54722da9724e

Interesting article about how companies are moving back to cities. It makes you wonder how successful Cerner will be doing what they are doing.

Heck, is it possible that Sprint could be doing better today had they built their HQ in Downtown KC? I recall a while back that one of Sprints biggest challenges when they were growing was getting people to relocate to KC from other large cities. They may have had better luck with that and ended up with a higher quality and more ambitious employee base had they been downtown. You never know.

There is some contrary data:

Americans still prefer suburbs over cities: Joel Kotkin and Wendell Cox

[GraniteStater]

If you want to attract and RETAIN the younger professional demographic and keep talent in the area, continue to invest and develop Downtown as an economic development magnet combined with mixed-use residential and commercial like has been occurring- notched up to a higher level.

[brooksider2brooklyn]

Originally Posted by MUTGR

There is some contrary data:

Americans still prefer suburbs over cities: Joel Kotkin and Wendell Cox

Wendell Cox is anti urban and anti transit and his research caters to those same people. It's relative man. It's obvious downtowns are not getting more actual new residents than the rest of a metro area but how can anyone deny they are hugely popular now, especially compared to ten years ago?

[MUTGR]

Originally Posted by brooksider2brooklyn

Wendell Cox is anti urban and anti transit and his research caters to those same people. It's relative man. It's obvious downtowns are not getting more actual new residents than the rest of a metro area but how can anyone deny they are hugely popular now, especially compared to ten years ago?

Sure, writers have agendas, but there appears to be data that contradicts the message of the OP:

Why Millennials Are Moving to Suburbs and Smaller Cities | PreparedU View | Bentley University

[CrownVic95]

Originally Posted by MUTGR

Sure, writers have agendas, but there appears to be data that contradicts the message of the OP:

Why Millennials Are Moving to Suburbs and Smaller Cities | PreparedU View | Bentley University

Though group think peer pressure is powerful among millennials, it's no match for instinctive needs for peace, safety, and security in life.

From your linked article....

"It is dogma among greens, urban pundits, planners and developers that the under 30 crowd doesn’t like what Grist called 'sprawling car dependent cities," Joel Kotkin writes for Forbes. "Too bad no one told most millennials.

This notion of a wholesale abandonment of suburban living is and has been nothing more than a fringe-left-driven media narrative pipe-dream. It has always been a myth.

[shindig]

Originally Posted by brooksider2brooklyn

So you are saying that people in KC are not chic or sophisticated enough to like working in urban areas even if they live in suburbs? That's what KCMO was saying. You are probably correct judging by your posts and you live in KC,MO!

Chic? Seriously? Lol. So you "know" what he was saying, huh? Sounded like it was more, "quality" of life thing you can only get by living on the elitist east coast, but whatever, you sound like a typical east coaster! I have multiple friends that moved to D.C. to get a career going and a name built, but hated the cost of living, traffic nightmares and workalolc attitude. They decided their quality of life sucked, and now one lives in Denver and the other lives in KC. And you live in Pittsburgh? I feel for you, that is one depressing city.

[kcmo]

Originally Posted by shindig

Chic? Seriously? Lol. So you "know" what he was saying, huh? Sounded like it was more, "quality" of life thing you can only get by living on the elitist east coast, but whatever, you sound like a typical east coaster! I have multiple friends that moved to D.C. to get a career going and a name built, but hated the cost of living, traffic nightmares and workalolc attitude. They decided their quality of life sucked, and now one lives in Denver and the other lives in KC. And you live in Pittsburgh? I feel for you, that is one depressing city.

What??? So take that post and replace everything DC with Denver. What's the difference? My point was that in my experience here in metro DC, people of all different backgrounds like to work in mixed use urban areas with transit options I would would hope that KC is the same way despite what the developers and local businesses are doing and would think you would back me up on that. Instead I get another totally unwarranted bizarre insult from you. The KC inferiority complex lives on...

[kcmo]

Originally Posted by MUTGR

Sure, writers have agendas, but there appears to be data that contradicts the message of the OP:

Why Millennials Are Moving to Suburbs and Smaller Cities | PreparedU View | Bentley University

So what is this message you are speaking of? Suburban office construction is down while urban office construction is way up. KC is building more suburban office space than metro Chicago. Even the suburbs are competing with themselves now by building mixed use dense developments. Marriott is moving their HQ from a single use campus in outer suburbia to Downtown Bethesda, a "suburb" with a vibrant, dense downtown district with transit access.

Single use far flung office parks are struggling in many metros while companies are coming back to cities. I didn't say more companies are moving downtown than in the suburbs, nor did I say more millennials are moving to downtowns than to suburbs.

Downtowns are a small part of metros, so it's not likely that a majority of people moving to a given metro are going to choose to live downtown. But a LOT more are doing it now than have been for decades.

And companies like Sprint and Cerner that still think ti's 1980 may not be able to recruit or retain the necessary talent they need when people can go elsewhere.

I know first hand that Sprint absolutely had a difficult time recruiting young people to the Sprint Campus from other large cities. People were clueless and just don't realize that the Sprint Campus and surrounding area is just not all that impressive to younger people from Seattle or Austin or Boston or most colleges grads no matter where they went to school. And now Cerner is going down the exact same road. For a company that wants to hire 15,000 people, mostly from out of town and mostly young college grads, you would think they would be just a bit more tuned into the 2010's.