10-30-2007, 09:58 AM
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Hi. I was wondering if anyone could help me out with something. My husband, myself, and our 2 year old daughter are looking to move to the Jacksonville area next Summer (2008). We are currently living in the Philadelphia area and are hoping to buy our first home down there. I am a teacher and my husband works in retail so we do not feel that finding jobs will be a problem. My main question is in applying for a home loan before I get my first pay check, will they not turn me down since my current paychecks are not enough to own a home? My credit is good, my husbands, due to medical bills, it terrible. I am hoping to get the home in my name with my good credit. But I am worried that since I won't start teaching until the end of August, and we hope to move at the end of July, things in the way of owning a home will not line up. We are open to renting for the first few months, but would rather not. We have considered renting a home, but hate the idea of all that money going down the drain and having nothing to show for it. We are looking at Orange Park and Southside Jacksonville depending on where I can get a teaching job. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks.
10-30-2007, 10:08 AM
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wimlyn
What part of philly are you in ? I grew up in Montgomery County
As a matter of fact my sister just brought me 10 boxes of Tastykakes
Usually mortgage companies will not have a problem if you are staying in the same line of work and have a job offer letter from the new school district.
I have a friend that is a mortgage broker I will see if I can get some more specifics from her.
Both oragne park and southside are nice areas I have family in flemming island & we live on the southside.
One of the nice things about the southside is you have the avenues mall and the new St Johns Towne center so this may offer more options for retail employment for your husband .
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10-30-2007, 10:23 AM
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Thanks so much for the reply. Man, you're quick. We live in Delaware County now. I attended St. Joseph's Univ. in Philly and worked several nanny jobs in Bala Cynwyd. My husband works at King of Prussia Mall currently. Philly is okay, just need a change. I saw in another post that you said you were moving, but how do you like Jacksonville? How was the transition from PA to FL? We have very little support with our decision to relocate, but are going for it anyway. We think it will be good for us. We are an interracial family and want a nice diverse (warm) area to raise our daughter.
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10-30-2007, 10:26 AM
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You know, although I'm not generally a fan of renting if homeownership is a goal, but there are benefits to renting, especially when moving to a new locale, and especially when it's a place as large and diverse as the Jacksonville area is.
Rent money isn't always money down the drain with nothing to show for it. Consider it, in some instances, as "tuition" towards an "education". The four months' rent my husband paid while he was here and we were still up north selling our house was money well-spent. He was living on the southside, and as nice as the area was (is), he found the commute to the westside longer than desired.
During his time in his temporary home he was able to do pretend commutes from lots of different areas, to shop and stroll in the different communities and counties, to read newspapers and watch local TV stations. When we were ready to buy, we already knew the areas that would fit our lifestyle. That education wouldn't have happened without his renting.
10-30-2007, 10:41 AM
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Thanks so much for the reply. Man, you're quick. We live in Delaware County now. I attended St. Joseph's Univ. in Philly and worked several nanny jobs in Bala Cynwyd. My husband works at King of Prussia Mall currently. Philly is okay, just need a change. I saw in another post that you said you were moving, but how do you like Jackonville? How was the transition from PA to FL? We have very little support with our decision to relocate, but are going for it anyway. We think it will be good for us. We are an interracial family and want a nice diverse (warm) area to raise our daughter.
I know the area well I always travel the blue route when I come home so much faster to get to Doylestown.
We thought we were moving last year due to a job transfer but thankfully we are now staying.
I moved here from NJ 15years ago but have been coming down for 25 years
I love it ,sure there are some things I miss cheesesteaks,bagels, diners but when I go home I just get my fill
There is nothing like mid december when it is 70 degrees you will hear a lot of "yup this is why Imoved here "
mawipafl brings up a good point where you decide to work will influence where you would want to live.
The southside will have you closer to the beach I am not a big beach person but this is important to many folks moving down here.
What grade do you teach ?
You might want to put feelers out to some of the school districts remember Duval county is huge. You can reference the maps in the sticky at the top of the thread to get an idea of the areas
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10-30-2007, 11:24 AM
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I can probably answer this question fairly well since we are going through the process of applying for a mortgage right now. The lending business has really tightened up over the last few months. My wife and I had to prove both of our incomes using pay stubs and employer statements, we both had to have a credit score over a certain amount, and we also had to prove that we had at least 10% down + money for fees in an account. I don’t think they will allow you to finance a home with the situation you described. A year ago things were different, but now things are fairly tight. But, things are changing so rapidly that it may be an entirely different situation in late 2008.
I would really suggest renting for a year. Renting will allow you to get a good feel for the city and where you would like to live. Also, you won’t have “money going down the drain and having nothing to show for it”. The rental market is very soft right now in Jacksonville and it actually makes more financial sense to rent in many cases. With home prices going down and people renting out homes for less than their carrying costs, renting a home for a year makes a lot of sense. I will use our situation as an example. In our case, we have rented for two years. We could have bought a home immediately when we moved here, but we decided to rent for the above reasons. Renting has given us a good feel for the city and where we want to live. It also saved us about $70k compared to owning the same condo since we moved in (rent less than carrying costs & depreciation). It probably still doesn’t make financial sense for us to buy, but we are doing it for non-financial reasons.
10-30-2007, 10:58 PM
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I have to agree with the above posters about renting for a year first - especially with this being the first home you and your husband will buy.
Settling into a new state and a new job will be big transitions, and once you arrive here and see the area, you'll see just how big it is here - there is just sooooo much to choose from, I think you'll want a good amount of time to check it all out
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The 2 areas you mentioned - Orange Park and the Southside of Jacksonville - are in 2 different counties and across the river from each other, so you'll definitely want to know which county you'll be working in so you can factor your commute into your house decision.
Orange Park = Clay county
Jacksonville = Duval county
11-01-2007, 07:52 PM
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One of the nice things about the southside is you have the avenues mall and the new St Johns Towne center so this may offer more options for retail employment for your husband .
karla
AMEN to that! I love to shop.
If I only knew how good it was on that side of the water (from Fleming Island).
However, I just realized how close St Augustine's outlet mall is in relation to me (compared to St John's Towne Center). AND it has a Woodchuck's (furniture).
11-01-2007, 08:00 PM
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One of the nice things about the southside is you have the avenues mall and the new St Johns Towne center so this may offer more options for retail employment for your husband .
With Oakleaf Town Center, that is true of the Orange Park area too. Granted, it's not as big as SJTC. But, most of OTC will be opening between now and early next year. Good timing for a family lookin' to move!
11-02-2007, 10:03 AM
Location: Middleburg, FL
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When I moved here five years ago, I was buying a house though I hadn't started working yet. The lender required an offer letter from my employer, and took into account that I was (a) working in a high-demand industry (info technology); and (b) had no gaps of any kind in employment in the last 10 years.
Granted, the lending industry has changed in the last five years, but I think it would be worth asking potential lenders before you even begin the application process. If your situation as you described it causes a problem, then I'd say that David's and mawipafl's suggestion to rent for a year would be a good one.
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People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)