05-10-2019, 08:00 AM
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That's great....parents who home school should not have to pay school taxes then either...should they.
By that reasoning only those with children in public school should pay school taxes. My children went to a private school but I still paid school taxes. No children in school since 1996 but still pay school taxes.
05-10-2019, 09:56 AM
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Give up suzy_q2010. Common sense will not change purehuman's mind, nor will facts.
Purehuman has a right not to have her children vaccinated. So does the school districts in not allowing her kids to go to school unvaccinated and expose other families to preventable diseases. The answer for her is called home schooling through the monitoring of the local school. Her rights end when they trample on the rights of others.
100% agree.
However, people that make stuff up in order to try to convince others to do the same is not something I would personally want on my conscience.
With regards to the wild death claims around vaccines, we had someone post up a study a year or two back on a vaccine test in India where a number of girls that had been given it had died.
As we dug into the study, I found that they were including ALL deaths. Drowning, car accidents and even a snake bite or two.
That's about par for the course in the vaccination discussions though.
P.S. There will eventually be a large polio outbreak in the anti-vax community and the resultant carnage and collateral damage leading to lawsuits will put this to rest. The issue today is that vaccines did such a good job eradicating these horrible diseases that many just don't see the benefit but then fixate on negatives (without even touching on the validity of those perceptions). Just going to take a brutal reminder, but that's nature for you, it's going to happen.
05-10-2019, 10:17 AM
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It's absolutely cringey; the rhetoric of anti-vaxxers. I'm a pharmacy student and I just dismiss this garbage. It's because it's a garbage conspiracy theory that is affecting actual children's lives that makes it absolutely disgusting.
05-10-2019, 10:37 AM
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Anti-vaxxers are people who would rather swim across a crocodile infested river because they just "know" the bridge is unsafe and has a .0001% chance of collapsing.
Edited to add: So I just got my shingles vaccine and the pneumonia vaccine yesterday. I've had shingles and never want it again. I just wish they had started giving the vaccine to people younger than 65 years and years ago. So far I haven't been frothing at the mouth, turning into a monster, or seeing visions. I just have a sore arm and that's to be expected.
I still might get shingles and pneumonia (big maybe) but at least I'm doing something about it instead of standing out in the open like a numbnuts waiting for it to strike me down.
I'm not religious, but do you remember the story of the man on his roof and the rescuers he kept waving off? This is the same thing. If you believe in God, then he's sent you the vaccines to stay safe. Don't go whining to him when your kids are injured or die because you turned them down. That's not his fault, its yours.
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05-10-2019, 01:35 PM
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I understand the OP is likely too heavily into a conspiratorial mindset to accept this new information, although I offer it genuinely in the hopes it will be reviewed. I'm posting this for others who might come across it and need real information to make an informed decision.
I hate to get in the middle of vax vs. anti-vax discussion.
Both sides are fanatics without a common sense and without proper information based oh FACTS. ( Learn how the vaccine “studies” are done and who is doing it- then speak)
However, have to defend OP here from your rabid self righteous vitriol.
The OP did not say he is against vaccines. He just wanted to DELAY vaccination due to his common sense and possibly doing a research on the subject.
If you do not have the answer to the OP question- you should not comment and turn into political discussion.
To the OP: you may need to visit a few pediatricians and discuss your preferences.
Having the right pediatrician is not only about vaccines- it is so much more.
Whoever listens to you and understands your point- this could be the one you can trust with the care of your child.
Just getting the name off the forum may not give you a long term result: you want a relationship with the pediatrician, not just someone who can do what you ask them at one point or another. Trust- that what matters - on both sides of the doctor- patient.
Maybe you should visit some support groups for affected children and see if anyone still like their pediatrician?
One more. In old countries there was a tradition to keep babies mostly at home until they are about 1 y o.
The babies were not in public that much.
Now it makes sense from an immunity point of view- the babies with not developed yet immune system were protected by mothers immune system if they are BREASTFED. ( of course modern mothers may not have immunity to diseases as they were vaccinated or due to simple fact that the childhood diseases were already on decline due to sanitation and hygiene education)
At around 12-18 month the baby’ s immune system is more mature so they are out more in public.
Something for you to think...
Sorry, just realized- old post I am responding to
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05-10-2019, 02:07 PM
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Don’t be scared to submission by unethical information posted by blessed life- read my reply)
It is not a valid argument: no research that you like so much ( without quotes, of course) will accept comparison of US children and children of Madagascar dying from cases of measles.
Madagascar is one of the poorest countries in the world: data from a few years ago place 90% of population below poverty level.
https://www.humanium.org/en/madagascar/
You know that the measles and it’s outcome is related to nutrition? Mainly a lack of vitamin A in diet?
Don’t believe me?
Here, I will quote your favorite source that you like - the PubMed! But wait!
I will do one even better- how about a quote from CDC? Do you trust them? Is it good enough for you?
That should be even better?
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/18/9/11-1701_article
05-10-2019, 02:21 PM
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Were those who died were immune compromised?
That what I have read
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05-10-2019, 03:54 PM
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purehuman
That's great....parents who home school should not have to pay school taxes then either...should they.
Sure they should. Just like childless people or those like me who sent their kids to private school. Just because someone opts out of public school doesn’t mean they’re off the hook for helping fund it.
05-10-2019, 10:49 PM
Location: Georgia, USA
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( Learn how the vaccine “studies” are done and who is doing it- then speak)
One more. In old countries there was a tradition to keep babies mostly at home until they are about 1 y o.
The babies were not in public that much.
Now it makes sense from an immunity point of view- the babies with not developed yet immune system were protected by mothers immune system if they are BREASTFED. ( of course modern mothers may not have immunity to diseases as they were vaccinated or due to simple fact that the childhood diseases were already on decline due to sanitation and hygiene education)
At around 12-18 month the baby’ s immune system is more mature so they are out more in public.
Something for you to think...
Sorry, just realized- old post I am responding to
Would you care to explain the concern you have with the way vaccine studies are done? Perhaps take a study and critique it for us?
Sanitation cannot prevent measles, which is airborne and so infectious you can catch it just from breathing the air in a room that someone with measles was in two hours ago. Improved sanitation actually increased the incidence of polio.
https://www.insidescience.org/news/c...radicate-polio
People who are vaccinated for measles have a 97% chance of being immune. Antibodies to measles are transferred via the placenta, not so much in breast milk, which provides more protection against intestinal infections.
Deaths from vaccine preventable diseases declined before vaccines for them were introduced but the number of cases did not. After vaccines are introduced the number of cases drops precipitously, sometimes to zero, at which point there are no deaths because no one is catching the disease.
There is no benefit to delaying vaccines. It just extends the time frame during which the child is at risk to get the diseases that vaccines protect against. Even "Dr. Bob" Sears of alternative schedule fame admits it.
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Nik4me
You know that the measles and it’s outcome is related to nutrition? Mainly a lack of vitamin A in diet?
Don’t believe me?
Here, I will quote your favorite source that you like - the PubMed! But wait!
I will do one even better- how about a quote from CDC? Do you trust them? Is it good enough for you?
That should be even better?
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/18/9/11-1701_article
People have died from measles in first world countries, too. Adequate vitamin A intake is no guarantee against fatality. High dose vitamin A is, in fact part of the standard treatment for measles.
Frank vitamin A deficiency is unusual in the US.
https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Vi...hProfessional/
"The effectiveness of vitamin A supplementation to treat measles in countries, such as the United States, where vitamin A intakes are usually adequate is uncertain."
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Nik4me
Were those who died were immune compromised? That what I have read
Where have you read it? Care to share your source?
Yes immune compromised people are at greater risk of serious complications. They also cannot be vaccinated in many cases because the MMR contains live, though weakened viruses. That is why it is important to maintain high vaccination rates to sustain herd immunity so immunocompromised people have less risk of being exposed to the infection. However, perfectly healthy people can die from measles. One of them was author Roald Dahl's daughter Olivia.
https://www.roalddahlfans.com/dahls-...erous-illness/
05-11-2019, 02:34 PM
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Sure they should. Just like childless people or those like me who sent their kids to private school. Just because someone opts out of public school doesn’t mean they’re off the hook for helping fund it.
^^^Yep.
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Most Common Occupations - Protective service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Fire fighting and prevention, and other protective service workers including supervisors (%)
Most Common Occupations - Law enforcement workers including supervisors (%)
Most Common Occupations - Food preparation and serving related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Building and grounds cleaning and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Personal care and service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and office occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)