10-28-2009, 08:09 AM
Location: Bike to Surf!
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People will be people, and most of the people in my town are at least nervously tolerant of other races. What bothers me is the institutionalized idiocy such as the additional (and IMO unnecessary) "homeland security" measures that have been voluntarily adopted by the Indiana legislature. What especially irks me is the RealID card that Indiana is forcing upon drivers. The proposal for national ID cards was defeated on a federal level, but it seems the fear that spawned the idea of a national registry is alive and kicking here in Indiana.
It really shocks me that people think Indiana needs enhanced security measures such as making the BMV a immigration enforcement or identity verification checkpoint. The people there aren't trained USCIS or DHS agents, in fact they can barely do their regular job. When you give them a little more power, then you see institutionalized discrimination at these state-run institutions. I can't count the number of times I've heard about people running across a pompous know-nothing offical telling them their papers weren't in order or that they weren't authorized to do some basic life function (like driving--which in a spread-out state like Indiana IS life) and be totally wrong.
I might understand such measures in immigrant-heavy states with large port cities and major commercial/industrial centers like California or New York, but here, what are people defending? The corn? The ONE 20-story "skyscraper" in downtown Indy? It doesn't make sense that we've got such "tight" security here in the middle of nowhere.
10-28-2009, 10:46 PM
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I can honestly say I don't know much about the RealID thing. But your post got me thinking about my BMV experiences and they were not great. I did witness certain individuals having a hard time obtaining their licenses. I often heard comments such as "I dont understand why this is not enough!" or "I dont understand, I never had this issue before and I have lived in several states!"
I didnt pay a whole of attention to these disagreements as I was going thru my own hell on obtaining a license. Since everyone boasts that this area is referred to Michiana, I was stunned that my Michigan drivers license was completely disregarded. I had to show two pieces of ID. A birth certificate AND a passport. I wont even go on about how silly the driver's written test was.
A year later I didnt anticipate how difficult it would be to change my address. I went in thinking it would be a simple task but of course it wasnt. I was told I had to return with two, not one, but TWO utility bills that show my new address. I had to wait a few weeks because we hadnt received any utility bills yet. So I finally get them in the mail and go back to the BMV. I was told they cant accept it because the bills had to be in MY name. I was pissed. I have been married for 14 yrs and out of that time frame I cant recall ANY utility bills that came in both my husband's name and mine. Since he had moved to Indiana first, he set up everything in his name. The only way I could change my address was that my husband had to come in with me. I showed the woman at the counter my mortgage papers, surely this would be enough proof that I moved. Nope. Eventually my husband had to take a day off work so we both could go down and get our addresses changed. Unbelievable. Finally I got one of the BMV employees to accept my credit card statement that had my new address on it. But she acted like she was doing me a huge favor.
After going through that drama I again didnt anticipate having to prove myself at the local library. My drivers license wasnt enough. I had to bring in two utility bills showing my address before I could get a library card. I really feel there is a paranoia in Indiana. It just seems like getting anything done involves a lot of "proof".
10-29-2009, 12:08 AM
Location: Bike to Surf!
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I really feel there is a paranoia in Indiana. It just seems like getting anything done involves a lot of "proof".
Yeah. Sometimes I just want to shake these people and shout "Look, I'm here aren't I? That proves I'm a resident. Do you think anyone actually VISITS this godforsaken place? Do you get a lot of library-card terrorists who come through collecting your $0.15 laminated cards? Is that why you've implemented threat-level-orange security on our strategic library card reserves?"
Well then I'm glad it's not just us. The dumbest thing we ever did was change our out-of-state driver's liscenses to Indiana ones. The out of state ones would've been good for 4-5 more years, far longer than we intend to stay stuck here. The Indiana BMV might have shorter lines than the DMV where we came from, but the dumbf---s working inside and the state's general paranoia make it a bigger headache than anywhere I've experienced.
I'd liken it to the Thailand/Cambodian border, but at least there, if the border guards don't like your papers, they're usually just fishing for a "donation". Here, it seems like they lie and misinform you just for the pleasure of it.
10-29-2009, 08:04 AM
Location: Englewood, Near Eastside Indy
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There was an incident in downtown Indianapolis last year or the year before in which some tourists from Texas were hassled by the cops and forced to show their pics to the authorities. The cops were just making sure they were not terrorists. These were white people from Texas.
The state of Indiana is, in my opinion, waaaaaaay too paranoid about this stuff.
10-29-2009, 08:48 AM
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Well I have to say its refreshing to know Im not the only one that feels this way. Honestly, I feel like I stick out like a sore thumb here. I question things and get looks like I'm an idiot. I do understand that some groups were caught using library computers as a source for communication to various harmful groups but in all reality, I do not think Indiana is on anyone's hit list. Harmful groups target places with mass populations or areas that have beloved landmarks.
I wish we could have kept our out of state licenses and insurance. But we couldnt as we wanted to enroll our child in school. My husband had a small accident 2 yrs ago. He backed out of our driveway and hit the neighbors car. Very minimal damage. Our car didnt even need fixing. But when we set up insurance here, we are considered high risk and are paying extra premiums for the next year until his "horrible" accident drops off his record.
I have had the pleasure of dealing with the court system in Indiana as well. We purchased a home and after only 2 days we discovered the home was built adjacent to a superfund site (toxic land). We backed out of the deal and we were very disturbed to find out everyone involved knew about the site but didnt think it was a big deal. Actually I had to explain what a superfund site was to many people. They didnt know. We got hassled over us backing out and the sellers refused to give back our earnest deposit. This never would have flown anywhere else.
I was shocked later to find out that even our realtor was backing the seller. The attitude was, well the government said it was safe, it must be true! Even though according to the EPA, they would not promise that the problem would never cause future issues, everyone in a 3 mile radius had to loose their wells since the drinking water was contaminated. Obviously it wasnt a small issue. We ended up going to court. I was armed with all sorts of data regarding this land from the EPA, documents from St Joseph county etc. The judge basically said that since none of my documents (which were all valid sources and public docs) were not approved by a professor from a reputable university, he would not consider my information as truly valid. I was shocked. How can documents from the EPA not be valid? We lost our case and lost money. We had already purchased another house and had issues with the seller taking things from that home they werent supposed too. Again, we got the attitude like my husband and I were being "unreasonable." Our mortgage person was in Chicago and he was just baffled by how things are done in Indiana. By this time my husband and I had no fight left and just closed on the our house. My mother felt so bad for us she purchased the items that were taken as a house warming gift. I think she wanted to keep us from going over the brink.
I wish I could say Im going to pack up and leave tomorrow but I have a child in school and my husband does seem to like his job. In a few years after my child graduates, I would seriously like to think about moving again. I guess it all depends on what the economy will be like. I am still trying to keep an open mind but after a year and half, its pretty difficult.
10-30-2009, 06:42 AM
Location: Turn Left at Greenland
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don't forget, Indiana was neck deep in the license scandal that hit Illinois years back. The BMV started cracking down befor 9-11 ... at least that's what I remember having moved back to the state in 2000.
As for the other paranoic feelings that seem to be permeating our gov-mint ... don't forget, as long as those things are listed by gov-mint officials, they get Fed tax money to support them. I remember when the Rollerdome in Fort Wayne was listed as a prime terrorist target .... someone had to have put that on there to get money from the Feds.
just my thoughts.
10-30-2009, 09:32 AM
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I remember when the Rollerdome in Fort Wayne was listed as a prime terrorist target .... someone had to have put that on there to get money from the Feds.
just my thoughts.
A roller rink was put on a terrorist target hit list? LMAO. Like I said I really dont know much about the RealID thing. I just have observed getting things done have been far more difficult that Im used too. I can safely say this coming from a area that has the largest arab population in the United States. I would think it would have been more difficult for me back home.
10-30-2009, 09:35 AM
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This is not enforced in Michigan to the degree Indiana does. I also cant help but wonder why Indiana is so strict but then so lax on hate crime laws.
10-30-2009, 09:48 AM
Location: Fishers, IN
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This is not enforced in Michigan to the degree Indiana does. I also cant help but wonder why Indiana is so strict but then so lax on hate crime laws.
Seems that the enforcement level in Michigan may have to do with that state being one that's trying to buck the law:
Michigan House Rejects Real ID Act . Politically speaking, it shouldn't be a shock given the political affiliation of each state's governor. And, as Domergurl mentioned, the BMW was mired in an ID controversy not too long ago.
Can't help but ask....how is Indiana lax on hate crime laws??
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People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)