Why does Illinois vote Democrat? (Chicago, Bartlett: unemployment, university, centers)

[5Lakes]

Originally Posted by danielj72

Have you ever been here??? Im in Michigan and once you leave Detroit its as conservative as Alabama. Same is true in most other midwest states too, even Illinois. Now the northeast, your right they are true blue liberal. ANywhere from Ohio west there is a much greater rural, and conservative culture just like much of the south. Only the big dirty failed cities in the midwest states give pinkos a slight edge. There is a reason they call most of these states swing states anyway, dems only win them by a few points in most election years. Oh and your comment about bible belt superstitions is very revealing about your values. For the record the bible is not a superstion, but the word of God.

The rural midwest is not in your face about religion like the rural south. That is a major difference between the two regions.

[imperialmog]

Originally Posted by 5Lakes

The rural midwest is not in your face about religion like the rural south. That is a major difference between the two regions.

That is actually a good definiton as well in figuring out where the boundary between the Midwest and South. Also part of this is due to what denominations are present since some are more in your face and extroverted than others which generally tends to conform to regional lines.

[LINative]

Originally Posted by californio sur

Please spare us your religious beliefs and stay on topic. The Bible-belt is the most bigoted and hateful region of the nation. Anyone who defends it reveals a lot about themselves. Your "pinko" remark also shows your antiquated mindset. Conservatives hate to admit that there anti-eduation bias is rejected by Americans and why Republicans continue to lose more and more states [and why it is called the "Party of the South"

Staying on topic would be a good idea. Avoiding crude, unnecessary and uncalled for attacks on people's religious beliefs is another.

A third good idea would be to avoid sterotyping tens of millions of people in the South you never met. Unless you claim you met them?

[thePR]

Originally Posted by californio sur

Please spare us your religious beliefs and stay on topic. The Bible-belt is the most bigoted and hateful region of the nation. Anyone who defends it reveals a lot about themselves. Your "pinko" remark also shows your antiquated mindset. Conservatives hate to admit that there anti-eduation bias is rejected by Americans and why Republicans continue to lose more and more states [and why it is called the "Party of the South"

Originally Posted by LINative

Staying on topic would be a good idea. Avoiding crude, unnecessary and uncalled for attacks on people's religious beliefs is another.

A third good idea would be to avoid sterotyping tens of millions of people in the South you never met. Unless you claim you met them?

I agree with LINative, you tend to make these over the top posts a lot.

[californio sur]

Originally Posted by thePR

I agree with LINative, you tend to make these over the top posts a lot.

Sorry to disturb the Republicans on this thread but the fact is that the GOP is powerless in all of America's large cities and now the suburbs are leaving as well. And why? Because promoting ignorance is not popular unless one lives in a part of the country where education is considered something to despite.

[mas23]

Originally Posted by thePR

Come on, it's conservative but it's not nearly like that, and there's Grand Rapids, Flint, and Kalamazoo.

Nice map PR.
IMO the mid west esp the upper midwest is more liberal than some people might think look at minnesota. Better yet look at iowa, there are not MAJOR metros and they dont have much minorities yet they went blue in the 2000 & 2008 election.

[thePR]

Originally Posted by californio sur

Sorry to disturb the Republicans on this thread but the fact is that the GOP is powerless in all of America's large cities and now the suburbs are leaving as well. And why? Because promoting ignorance is not popular unless one lives in a part of the country where education is considered something to despite.

I'm very Liberal, it's just how you said it and the fact that you used a blanket statement.

Originally Posted by mas23

Nice map PR.
IMO the mid west esp the upper midwest is more liberal than some people might think look at minnesota. Better yet look at iowa, there are not MAJOR metros and they dont have much minorities yet they went blue in the 2000 & 2008 election.

Thanks.

Definitely true, I think the best example is Wisconsin because that state is almost completely blue when referring to the 2008 presidential election.

[Thomas R.]

Originally Posted by californio sur

Sorry to disturb the Republicans on this thread but the fact is that the GOP is powerless in all of America's large cities and now the suburbs are leaving as well. And why? Because promoting ignorance is not popular unless one lives in a part of the country where education is considered something to despite.

You know I'm not even that fond of Republicans right now, but sheesh the arrogance and condescension.

The are cities in the "top 50 cities" with Republican mayors: Dallas, San Diego, Jacksonville, Indianapolis, and Oklahoma City. Many to most of those are moderate Republicans, but there is such a thing.

Rural and small-town people often highly value education even if they may not have access to the most elite Universities. Towns on the "top 101 with the most people having master's or doctorate degrees" or just "most doctorate degree" mostly is "liberal" places but also includes

Clemson, South Carolina - In a county that hasn't went Democratic since Carter in 1976 and was won by McCain with over 70%.

Oldenburg, Indiana - A town of less than a thousand in a county that last went Democratic in 1964. (Although the county went for Evan Bayh and Frank L. O'Bannon they don't seem to even go much for Democrats in Senate or Gubernatorial races)

Sewanee, Tennessee - In a county that used to be Democratic, but went strongly for McCain.

https://www.city-data.com/top2/h185.html
https://www.city-data.com/top2/h180.html
Dave Leip's Atlas of U.S. Presidential Elections

There are many highly educated Republicans. Bobby Jindal and Richard Lugar were Rhodes Scholars. Roscoe Bartlett, Tom Cole, Chuck Grassley, and Ileana Ros-Lehtinen have PhDs. Vern Ehlers, a Republican, was the first research physicist in Congress and is still in when I checked. Scott Brown graduated kum laude from Tufts University.

Lastly the South is the biggest in population, but the most reliable regions for Republicans are probably the Great Plains and Northern Rockies.

[urza216]

Originally Posted by Steve-o

hank goodness out here in the suburbs, Im surrounded by Republicans for the most part.

Yeah, maybe your West Suburbs..

[danielj72]

Originally Posted by 5Lakes

The rural midwest is not in your face about religion like the rural south. That is a major difference between the two regions.

I live in a town of 500 people in central Michigan so I think I know about the rural midwest. I never claimed that we are in anyones faces about religion, I only stated that we are generally conservative and religious. Yes southerners are more open about their faith, but if you havent noticed they are more open about everything. The biggest difference between midwesterners and southerners is the fact that the midwesterner is much more reserved.