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If this law is indeed enforced, then it would be seen that a simple law enforcement is exponentially more effective than a fence or other extreme ideas.
I believe that for this to happen the population's anger should be equally balanced between those who immigrate illegally, and those who break the law employing them.
imho an autonomous organism independent of government influence and managed by citizens should monitor employers, they should also have functions as a welfare court, deciding who gets welfare and why.
I believe that for this to happen the population's anger should be equally balanced between those who immigrate illegally, and those who break the law employing them.
imho an autonomous organism independent of government influence and managed by citizens should monitor employers, they should also have functions as a welfare court, deciding who gets welfare and why.
anyone else thinks this is a good idea?
I think it's a good idea; unfortunately, it has about ZERO chance of ever being adopted. Politicians are 'creatures of power'..... it's their aphrodisiac...and NO politician is going to willingly agree to 'step aside' to let an independent, unencumbered board of citizens 'step in' and usurp his power...not even a small part of it. The politician's worst nightmare would be that this idea might WORK....and even worse, that its success would initiate calls for even MORE 'committees' and boards to do OTHER tasks.
Politicians won't willingly relinquish power. A similar case could be cited in cases where recurring police abuse has brought forth calls for "independent oversight" of these incidents, by citizens' boards unencumbered by the politics inherent in an "Internal Affairs" self-investigation by the department.
These boards almost NEVER work...they're either rendered nearly powerless, OR they're heavily influenced by politics, OR their findings are simply ignored.
Location: The world, where will fate take me this time?
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I think it's a good idea; unfortunately, it has about ZERO chance of ever being adopted. Politicians are 'creatures of power'..... it's their aphrodisiac...and NO politician is going to willingly agree to 'step aside' to let an independent, unencumbered board of citizens 'step in' and usurp his power...not even a small part of it. The politician's worst nightmare would be that this idea might WORK....and even worse, that its success would initiate calls for even MORE 'committees' and boards to do OTHER tasks.
Politicians won't willingly relinquish power. A similar case could be cited in cases where recurring police abuse has brought forth calls for "independent oversight" of these incidents, by citizens' boards unencumbered by the politics inherent in an "Internal Affairs" self-investigation by the department.
These boards almost NEVER work...they're either rendered nearly powerless, OR they're heavily influenced by politics, OR their findings are simply ignored.
A GOOD IDEA, for sure....but not practical.
The problem here is the law, the law is something that has to be trusted to some kind of authority, which gets to decide what is legal and what isn't, in this case that power lies in the legislators who are supposedly voted in by the people in order to seve and protect the people, or so is said. Yet when that power lies in the hands of human beings with all sort of weaknesses the temptation to misuse it, abuse it and ignore it is too great.
But in that case, if the law is twisted, ignored, or use it as a mean to achieve ill gains instead of serve and protect the people who surrendered that power to the government, what's left? That kind of abuses by those in power of the laws usually has the consequence of developing in the long term a culture of total disregard for the law, which instead of being seen as something intended to make harmonious and safe coexistence possible, starts to be seen as something unfair and abusive.
I thought it was already against the law to hire illegal aliens. Why do politicians always feel the need to pass more laws when we just need to enforce existing laws???
Federal law prohibits hiring illegals. The problem is, the Feds don't enforce it.
Therefore, it is up to the states to make it a state law violation - so the states can enforce the law.
In Arizona, the first state to have an Employers Sanction law - we support the law, the fence, having local law enforcement becoming federally sworn officers - that then allows them to take into custody those here illegally and turn them over to ICE.
We also have eliminated state housing and food assistance for those here illegally. No more in state tuitions for those here illegally.
We also strongly support putting the US Military on the border with orders to return fire if fired upon - and not just warning shots.
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In Arizona, the first state to have an Employers Sanction law - we support the law, the fence, having local law enforcement becoming federally sworn officers - that then allows them to take into custody those here illegally and turn them over to ICE.
We also have eliminated state housing and food assistance for those here illegally. No more in state tuitions for those here illegally.
We also strongly support putting the US Military on the border with orders to return fire if fired upon - and not just warning shots.
In Arizona, the first state to have an Employers Sanction law - we support the law, the fence, having local law enforcement becoming federally sworn officers - that then allows them to take into custody those here illegally and turn them over to ICE.
We also have eliminated state housing and food assistance for those here illegally. No more in state tuitions for those here illegally.
We also strongly support putting the US Military on the border with orders to return fire if fired upon - and not just warning shots.
And there is more coming.
Using Spanish speakings Indians/Mestizos as the proxy: illegal aliens are clearly on the decline here.
Anymore: most 'brown' people (of any race/ethnicity) are English speakers.
Using Spanish speakings Indians/Mestizos as the proxy: illegal aliens are clearly on the decline here.
Anymore: most 'brown' people (of any race/ethnicity) are English speakers.
To me a decline doesn't really mean 2 million coming over instead of 3 million coming over. There are still many people coming over illegally. A decline would be when more return home than arrive here.
Another problem is the fast rising birth rate -- and 40% to unwed mothers and many teens. Over half of Mexican girls/women in the the USA have babies before age 20, often 3 or 4 babies before age 20. One big reason these people aren't making it in Mexico is that they begin bearing children at a very young age and don't get far in their education.
If they delay child birth, finish at least a secondary school education, obtain job skills and marry, and limit family size to the number of children they can afford, they have an excellent chance of making it in Mexico -- all the same things they have to do if they want to make it here -- but to many living off welfare handouts is making it.
Mexico is actually a wealthy nation, if people make sure their kids stay in school and don't have more children than they can afford -- Mexico would have fewer problems. We're just importing this problem.
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