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Old 12-31-2011, 03:25 PM
 
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Semantics? LOL.

Let's say one person comes to my house with my permission and someone else comes in through an unlocked door without permission. Do they both have an equal right to be in my house?
The USA isn't your house and even if it was, it also belongs to many other Americans who don't despise immigrants.

 
Old 12-31-2011, 03:33 PM
 
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It takes a great man to defend semantical prejudice.

LOL, the fact that you view it as "semantical prejudice" speaks volumes.

There is absolutely nothing wrong, nor anything inconsistent with rejecting illegal immigrants while simultaneously embracing legal immigration.


Your cheap attempts to debase the argument into a discussion of racism, xenophobia or enthnicism will not work on me.
 
Old 12-31-2011, 03:33 PM
 
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So much for the claim that people only have a problem with illegals.

People living in Mexico are not illegals.
Who said they were? The point was that the Haitians are much poorer than the Mexicans are.
 
Old 12-31-2011, 03:36 PM
 
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The USA isn't your house and even if it was, it also belongs to many other Americans who don't despise immigrants.

The USA is a metaphorical house.

In law and education, metaphors and analogies are used illustrate and simplify complex concepts.

The "owner" of the "house" that is the United States is the government of the United States. The question is what right and what methods can the United States utilize to restrict or remove unwelcome visitors or residents.


If one does not believe at a base level that nations are sovereign and have the fundamental right to restrict and control immigration, then they are outside mainstream thought on EITHER side of the illegal immigration issue, every much as someone who wants to stop ALL immigration.
 
Old 12-31-2011, 03:49 PM
 
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But not worried the least of worry when someone talks smack against a group for their ethnicity, rather than any legal or illegal status?...
You mean like in that other forum where they constantly talked smack about white people/ Americans and you remained silent?
 
Old 12-31-2011, 03:57 PM
 
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Do you think this should apply even when there aren't enough jobs to go around for the people already here?
Absurd, isn't it? Not only that but we already have annual quotas for legal immigrants based on our needs without negatively impacting our own. Wouldn't just letting anyone in who can pass background, healthchecks or English language skills negated that sensible policy?

Why have an entry just at our southern border? What about all the other potential immigrants from other continents and countries? I thought we were about diversity?
 
Old 12-31-2011, 04:00 PM
 
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We're back to the stupid "house" analogies again?...
What's stupid about it? We should welcome invited people into our homes but not uninvited door crashers. It is a good analogy about legal vs illegal immigration.
 
Old 12-31-2011, 04:21 PM
 
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The USA isn't your house and even if it was, it also belongs to many other Americans who don't despise immigrants.
The U.S. is the collective house of all Americans and we are all bound by the same laws such as respecting our immigration laws. Who despises "immigrants"? Blurring those lines between legal and illegal again?
 
Old 12-31-2011, 04:53 PM
 
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What's stupid about it? We should welcome invited people into our homes but not uninvited door crashers. It is a good analogy about legal vs illegal immigration.
Homes and countries are vastly different entities with vastly different parameters.

The common law provides special and unique protections for the home. Those same protections are in no way extended to a park or even open land.

A country and its borders are even less protected. To some degree your ability to govern is bounded by your ability to enforce your laws. If you can't people are not going to be bound by them.

When you try and use a home as an analog for the country you simply mislead yourself. They just have virtually nothing in common.
 
Old 12-31-2011, 05:11 PM
 
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The U.S. is the collective house of all Americans and we are all bound by the same laws such as respecting our immigration laws...
"Americans", by the definition, do not have to observe immigration laws...
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