Crime in Houston is out of control... (Katy, Howe: average, homicides)

[crone]

Originally Posted by WRM20

Most of the LEOs in the county are hired by the County. The number of deputies hired by HOAs and such is small in comparison. I personally think the deputy programs need to be terminated, because it's wrong that a subdivision with money can hire extra actual law enforcement while subdivisions without money can't.

I just wish the Commissioner's court would fund the HCSO. They have not had enough deputies on the street in my lifetime.

[WRM20]

Originally Posted by crone

I just wish the Commissioner's court would fund the HCSO. They have not had enough deputies on the street in my lifetime.

We would have more deputies coming in if Ramsey and Cagle had not bailed on the budget votes.

[NigerianNightmare]

Originally Posted by WRM20

Most of the LEOs in the county are hired by the County. The number of deputies hired by HOAs and such is small in comparison. I personally think the deputy programs need to be terminated, because it's wrong that a subdivision with money can hire extra actual law enforcement while subdivisions without money can't.

I don’t see why it’s wrong. If you feel like your neighborhood isn’t secure enough you should be able to hire whoever to secure it. You might as well argue it’s wrong that cities spend more on other cities on police budgets. If a neighborhood of given a vote votes for an increase in taxes for more police officers but the majority of their city votes against it, I see no foul in said neighborhood paying more in taxes/HOAs to get more police enforcement. If people want to be overpoliced as it’s called then they should absolutely have the right to as long as they don’t expect others to pay. These tiny cities in Texas already in effect do this…

I see the fundamental issue in having money decide public goods but I don’t see the argument that no one can’t pay for better security if they believe the security is mediocre. I would only be against it if this program meant that certain neighborhoods that can’t afford security are getting abandoned by HCSO.

[WRM20]

Originally Posted by NigerianNightmare

I don’t see why it’s wrong. If you feel like your neighborhood isn’t secure enough you should be able to hire whoever to secure it. You might as well argue it’s wrong that cities spend more on other cities on police budgets. If a neighborhood of given a vote votes for an increase in taxes for more police officers but the majority of their city votes against it, I see no foul in said neighborhood paying more in taxes/HOAs to get more police enforcement. If people want to be overpoliced as it’s called then they should absolutely have the right to as long as they don’t expect others to pay. These tiny cities in Texas already in effect do this…

I see the fundamental issue in having money decide public goods but I don’t see the argument that no one can’t pay for better security if they believe the security is mediocre. I would only be against it if this program meant that certain neighborhoods that can’t afford security are getting abandoned by HCSO.

If a subdivision wants more security, they can hire a private security firm. It is disgusting that more money gets a subdivision better policing with real law enforcement than an area that doesn't have money. It is beyond stupid that homeowners scream like crazy if property taxes go up to pay for more law enforcement, but they will jump all over a contract deputy program.

Many areas are currently abandoned by HCSO. My Mom lives in Katy, and response times for HCSO there are measured in days.

[As Above So Below...]

Originally Posted by malcorub16

Well, Houston beat Los Angeles and NYC again in both #'s and rate. Bad look for Texans that love to crap on NY and CA for the out of control crime.

Yes, those ignorant breed of Texans are out of touch with reality I agree.

This forum has made me not a huge fan of Texans or Californians at times.

[usc619]

My current numbers stand at 704 between Fort Bend and Harris, I’m still waiting on the other counties, but I doubt we’ll hit a 1,ooo at this point.

[Mr. Clutch]

Originally Posted by usc619

My current numbers stand at 704 between Fort Bend and Harris, I’m still waiting on the other counties, but I doubt we’ll hit a 1,ooo at this point.

If those are the numbers for the entirety of those counties, I doubt if we get much above 800.

[detachable arm]

IMO the murder-homicide thing has a lot to do with drugs. The '90s peak murder was also the peak of the crack epidemic. When times get tough economically, a lot of unskilled, uneducated and just plain stupid people around here will resort to buying, selling, making drugs. I doubt anyone really knows what the hell is in the stuff they are cooking and mixing up today. Realize there have always been lots of foot soldiers for the cartels around here. I can also say with confidence that the majority of blue collar and retail workers here are 2 degrees of separation away from at least one of these foot soldiers.

[LocalPlanner]

Originally Posted by detachable arm

IMO the murder-homicide thing has a lot to do with drugs. The '90s peak murder was also the peak of the crack epidemic. When times get tough economically, a lot of unskilled, uneducated and just plain stupid people around here will resort to buying, selling, making drugs. I doubt anyone really knows what the hell is in the stuff they are cooking and mixing up today. Realize there have always been lots of foot soldiers for the cartels around here. I can also say with confidence that the majority of blue collar and retail workers here are 2 degrees of separation away from at least one of these foot soldiers.

While I'm sure that's an important component to the overall homicide mix, domestic / romantic relationships seem to have really grown as a major "cause" in the last few years.

[NigerianNightmare]

Originally Posted by WRM20

If a subdivision wants more security, they can hire a private security firm. It is disgusting that more money gets a subdivision better policing with real law enforcement than an area that doesn't have money. It is beyond stupid that homeowners scream like crazy if property taxes go up to pay for more law enforcement, but they will jump all over a contract deputy program.

Many areas are currently abandoned by HCSO. My Mom lives in Katy, and response times for HCSO there are measured in days.

I live in Katy, and this is true (when I was in North Katy). But I was under the impression that this is the case Harris County-wide as well.

Like Katy is abandoned but so is the majority of the county because there’s less officers per capita in HCSO than basically any police organization that’s supposed to protect more than 1,000,000 people. Like with nearly the same population as Chicago, HCSO has like 1/5th the officers. Houston PD has like under 1/2 the officers.