Lower Westheimer vs Montrose vs Museum District vs Midtown

[Texas Ag 93]

Originally Posted by SouthernBoy205

I loooooooove how they call Third Ward "University Area."

It's called Marketing, LOL. I wish I would have found one singular map that had the newer neighborhood names superimposed over the original 1920s era Wards.

[lotophage]

Originally Posted by ParaguaneroSwag

First thing is that, the signs are there because the museums are fairly close, not because it's the same neighborhood. The city of Houston has not designated what exactly the Museum District is, like it has for other neighborhoods.

Lower Westheimer has always refer to that part of Westheimer and maybe a few blocks north and south of that. Find me a single example of a building labeled Lower Wesiheimer outside of that area, and I'll happily be proven wrong. I've given you many examples of others. Look at the corner of West Alabama and Mandell and you will see two signs clearly labeling it the Museum District:
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.7387...7i13312!8i6656

In fact there is an official City of Houston declaration for the Museum District:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Resolution.png
If you need more exact definition here is the Coalition Agreement, notice who signed it:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...nAgreement.pdf

Again find me a similar document defining a "Lower Westheimer" neighborhood anything like you describe and I'll be happily proven wrong.

Originally Posted by ParaguaneroSwag

The neighborhood feel you get in Menil and in the Museum District are completely thing, plus you're divided by a bunch of interstate, and not like Downtown and EaDo where it's an easily crossed interstate, but one where you can't cross it just like that.

You cross one interstate, it's sunken, with 6 bridges that have sidewalks and bike easements in both directions. I know of no other area of the city so seamlessly integrated across a freeway. Here is the crossing at Mandell:
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.7317...7i13312!8i6656

[ParaguaneroSwag]

Originally Posted by lotophage

Lower Westheimer has always refer to that part of Westheimer and maybe a few blocks north and south of that. Find me a single example of a building labeled Lower Wesiheimer outside of that area, and I'll happily be proven wrong. I've given you many examples of others. Look at the corner of West Alabama and Mandell and you will see two signs clearly labeling it the Museum District:
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.7387...7i13312!8i6656

In fact there is an official City of Houston declaration for the Museum District:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Resolution.png
If you need more exact definition here is the Coalition Agreement, notice who signed it:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...nAgreement.pdf

Again find me a similar document defining a "Lower Westheimer" neighborhood anything like you describe and I'll be happily proven wrong.




You cross one interstate, it's sunken, with 6 bridges that have sidewalks and bike easements in both directions. I know of no other area of the city so seamlessly integrated across a freeway. Here is the crossing at Mandell:
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.7317...7i13312!8i6656

You realize that document has Allen Parkway as the north border and Shepherd as the West border. So you're telling me that the museum district is that entire area, and that the 4th Ward is in the Museum District? My point exactly. Again, there is no official borders of the Museum District. It's just that area. Find me an official map of the Museum District that the city of Houston uses to designate the neighborhood. It doesn't.

As for your "find me a building that says Lower Westheimer", you don't have to. Neighborhood signs are posted on the main road in a neighborhood. To Lower Westheimer, that's Westheimer. And maybe there is one, I don't know, but if there is or isn't, it's still part of the neighborhood. Chinatown signs are on Bellaire Blvd. It's the same situation.

[Mr. Krinkle]

Lower Westheimer: Where Elgin turns into Westheimer all the way to Shepherd.

[lotophage]

Originally Posted by ParaguaneroSwag

You realize that document has Allen Parkway as the north border and Shepherd as the West border. So you're telling me that the museum district is that entire area, and that the 4th Ward is in the Museum District? My point exactly. Again, there is no official borders of the Museum District. It's just that area. Find me an official map of the Museum District that the city of Houston uses to designate the neighborhood. It doesn't.

As for your "find me a building that says Lower Westheimer", you don't have to. Neighborhood signs are posted on the main road in a neighborhood. To Lower Westheimer, that's Westheimer. And maybe there is one, I don't know, but if there is or isn't, it's still part of the neighborhood. Chinatown signs are on Bellaire Blvd. It's the same situation.

Here is a map of the Museum District that shows the Menil as part of the District:
http://houmuse.org/wp-content/upload...ap-R4-flat.pdf

As I said in the other thread, people usually call that area Montrose, but there is overlap between what is called Montrose and what is called the Museum District. I've never heard of anybody refer to it as Lower Westheimer.

[ParaguaneroSwag]

Originally Posted by lotophage

Here is a map of the Museum District that shows the Menil as part of the District:
http://houmuse.org/wp-content/upload...ap-R4-flat.pdf

As I said in the other thread, people usually call that area Montrose, but there is overlap between what is called Montrose and what is called the Museum District. I've never heard of anybody refer to it as Lower Westheimer.

On that map that you sent, you see a strip of land, that all people commonly refer to as the Museum District, then you see and L shape next to it, and then way northwest, there's a diamond shape. I never heard of a neighborhood that starts and ends here and there with pieces here and pieces there, but this would be the first case? In other words, these aren't official boundaries. In fact, it isn't even a boundary. It's just a list of museums that are conveniently located near each other.

And you're right, a lot of people call that area Montrose, but unlike the Museum District, Montrose actually does have official boundaries, and they particularly show it that way. The reason people refer the area to Montrose is because it is the most common name that has been said for decades in that area. In other words, its a generally accepted misconception. It's just like Chinatown. People think the area West of the Beltway 8 is still chinatown when the official Chinatown boundaries clearly state that Chinatown is East of the belt. That's why the Asian businesses East of the belt are less Chinese and more vietnamese (part of the reason it isn't chinatown). But that's besides the point.

Montrose and Chinatown are two examples that a lot of Houstonians don't know where they're at.