How large is inside the loop

[Vicman]

Originally Posted by detachable arm

Also don't forget that half of the inner loop is a total ghetto that most people here have no business being in.

Not that much... Much of the area east of Downtown is okay. Just in the edges of the East End and parts of the Third Ward area are problems.

Originally Posted by chris_ut

Let me google that for you

But isn't there an informal definition of "in the loop" which excludes some really poor neighborhoods in the northeast and east and actually includes some westside just outside the loop neighborhoods?

[theone33]

It must suck living in Houston and being scared to visit most of the city lol.

[LocalPlanner]

Originally Posted by theone33

It must suck living in Houston and being scared to visit most of the city lol.

Based on the comments I see on this forum, many people move here from metro areas that have whole sectors that are endless miles of middle and upper class neighborhoods. Houston just doesn't have that, we have low income and working class areas scattered nearly everywhere, and that seems to freak a lot of people out. Plus low income folks here aren't as dependent on public transportation (because it's mostly pretty weak), so they can drive into higher income areas. Higher-income people don't seem to like that either.

[PedroMartinez]

Originally Posted by PinkLadyK

Presence of a payday loan shop, pawn shop, dry cleaner, and nail salon within a mile = ghetto for some.

Dry cleaners are ghetto?

I guess I'm not rich enough to wear my dress shirts once and throw them away.

[PinkLadyK]

For some.

[detachable arm]

Originally Posted by LocalPlanner

Based on the comments I see on this forum, many people move here from metro areas that have whole sectors that are endless miles of middle and upper class neighborhoods. Houston just doesn't have that, we have low income and working class areas scattered nearly everywhere, and that seems to freak a lot of people out. Plus low income folks here aren't as dependent on public transportation (because it's mostly pretty weak), so they can drive into higher income areas. Higher-income people don't seem to like that either.

Kingwood, Woodlands, Cypress, Katy, Richmond, Sugar Land, Missouri city, Pearland, Friendswood, Clear Lake, League city. That is all continuous and high income. Also fromKaty, the Energy Corridor, Memorial (Villages) all the way into town are the highest income. That's what, 120 mostly continuous miles of high income areas?

[LocalPlanner]

Originally Posted by detachable arm

Kingwood, Woodlands, Cypress, Katy, Richmond, Sugar Land, Missouri city, Pearland, Friendswood, Clear Lake, League city. That is all continuous and high income. Also fromKaty, the Energy Corridor, Memorial (Villages) all the way into town are the highest income. That's what, 120 mostly continuous miles of high income areas?

Kingwood to The Woodlands is not (yet) continuous high income. Richmond to Katy is only now filling in. Previously, what would have been considered between them were FM 1960 / Spring and Mission Bend / Alief respectively, and many on this forum do not consider those desirable or high-income areas.

Furthermore, between Katy and Cypress is definitely not high-income. It is working class or middle income at best, and often gets put down on this forum.

Your continuous corridor is discontinuous and certainly skinny (Katy / Memorial corridor? what 1-2 miles wide at best?). Compare to say, Collin County in North Texas or the arc of suburbs north of Atlanta, where the high-income / affluent landscapes spread out for miles and miles in all directions and are becoming the economic powerhouse of the region. Instead, in Houston, we've spread our high-income areas in a thin arc around the edge of the region 20-30 miles from Downtown, in a narrow corridor out the west side, and in the west half of the Inside-the-Loop. It's difficult to avoid encountering lower-income areas when that's the demographic setup.

[theone33]

Originally Posted by LocalPlanner

Based on the comments I see on this forum, many people move here from metro areas that have whole sectors that are endless miles of middle and upper class neighborhoods. Houston just doesn't have that, we have low income and working class areas scattered nearly everywhere, and that seems to freak a lot of people out. Plus low income folks here aren't as dependent on public transportation (because it's mostly pretty weak), so they can drive into higher income areas. Higher-income people don't seem to like that either.

I dont think people realize that Houston is a blue collar city at its core and always will be. Dont move here if the thought of someone who gets sweaty at work living close by might scare you lol. Some people are so sheltered and ignorant Jesus. Im not even going to get into these people moving here who have a problem with darker folks.

[Jack Lance]

Originally Posted by LocalPlanner

Kingwood to The Woodlands is not (yet) continuous high income. Richmond to Katy is only now filling in. Previously, what would have been considered between them were FM 1960 / Spring and Mission Bend / Alief respectively, and many on this forum do not consider those desirable or high-income areas.

Furthermore, between Katy and Cypress is definitely not high-income. It is working class or middle income at best, and often gets put down on this forum.

Your continuous corridor is discontinuous and certainly skinny (Katy / Memorial corridor? what 1-2 miles wide at best?). Compare to say, Collin County in North Texas or the arc of suburbs north of Atlanta, where the high-income / affluent landscapes spread out for miles and miles in all directions and are becoming the economic powerhouse of the region. Instead, in Houston, we've spread our high-income areas in a thin arc around the edge of the region 20-30 miles from Downtown, in a narrow corridor out the west side, and in the west half of the Inside-the-Loop. It's difficult to avoid encountering lower-income areas when that's the demographic setup.

Greater Houston's GMP is significantly larger than that of either DFW's or Atlanta's so I can't figure out how those metro's would have a greater mass of affluent neighborhoods?

Originally Posted by theone33

I dont think people realize that Houston is a blue collar city at its core and always will be. Dont move here if the thought of someone who gets sweaty at work living close by might scare you lol. Some people are so sheltered and ignorant Jesus. Im not even going to get into these people moving here who have a problem with darker folks.

Houston has more than its share of millionaires and High net worth individuals so the fact they don't all live in a contiguous arch or whatever seems really petty. Yes Houston does have a larger than average blue collar workforce, but when many of those blue collar stiffs are making upwards of 100k per year it seems ludicrous to suggest that having more 30k a year millionaires would improve our neighborhoods aesthetics.