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Old 03-11-2008, 07:06 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
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How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power | World news | The Guardian

I am not one to feel the sins of the Father or in this case the sins of the Grandfather should be visited upon the son but I thought this an interesting story to share. I frankly didn't know anything about the Grandfather of our present President and thought this interesting.

Very sad if its true.

I couldn't feel good about having money made by an association of this kind.

* The Third Reich and the Bush family (Prescott Bush - a fundraiser for the Nazi Party).

There are alot of links with information about this. I just googled "George Bush" and "Nazi Germany".

 
Old 03-11-2008, 07:42 AM
 
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This is quite an old story that's getting rehashed, as it should since few people saw it the first time around.

Ex-president, GHWBush, has his ties with the Carlyle Group;it also sells arms.

It's their family business.
 
Old 03-11-2008, 07:51 AM
 
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Be careful with those sites, it will hard to get a non-biased opinion for obvious reasons.

I see it doesn't mention that George Bush Sr was a fighter pilot in the Pacific theather of WW2, flew over 50 missions in a squadron that had a 50% casualty rate, was shot down, earned the distinguished flying cross and 3 other air medals.
 
Old 03-11-2008, 08:12 AM
 
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Good Grief, what crap.

Hitler rose to power on the backs of the German and Austrian peoples' desire to end chaos. The only thing the US had to do with him was his assisting with his downfall. Yet another pathetic attempt to classify the Bush dynasty as Superhumans with powers beyond those of ordinary men.

As for the Carlyle Group, they are a legitimate investment group. They do not sell arms. They invest in companies that do. The last time I looked, there was nothing illegal about manufacturing or selling arms or investing in companies that do so. If your personal morals prevent you from that kind of investing, fine. Best check your mutual funds and pensions as the military-industrial complex is bigger than the Carlyle Group.
 
Old 03-11-2008, 08:29 AM
 
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How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power | World news | The Guardian

I am not one to feel the sins of the Father or in this case the sins of the Grandfather should be visited upon the son but I thought this an interesting story to share. I frankly didn't know anything about the Grandfather of our present President and thought this interesting.

Very sad if its true.

I couldn't feel good about having money made by an association of this kind.

* The Third Reich and the Bush family (Prescott Bush - a fundraiser for the Nazi Party).

There are alot of links with information about this. I just googled "George Bush" and "Nazi Germany".
Oh, I think you're being disingenuous. If you're bringing it up, then you're visiting the sins of the grandfathers on that of the grandsons.

I'm no fan of the Bushes, but turnabout is fair play. Let's turn our attention to another political clan: The Kennedys. Joseph Kennedy was an ardent fan of the Nazis and Hitler. As ambassador to the Court of St. James, he did his level best to sabotage cooperation between the United States and Britain and was removed from his post when he flatly declared that "Democracy is finished." What's more, Joe Kennedy viewed Hitler as the solution to the problem of world jewry. While he probably didn't countenance shoving Jews into gas ovens, he gave Hitler credibility.

Add his smuggling of booze during prohibition and his alliance with Joseph McCarthy, and you really have a scion of a political family who didn't just have questionable holdings, but actively supported and abetted some really awfully terrible people.
 
Old 03-11-2008, 08:30 AM
 
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Be careful with those sites, it will hard to get a non-biased opinion for obvious reasons.

I see it doesn't mention that George Bush Sr was a fighter pilot in the Pacific theather of WW2, flew over 50 missions in a squadron that had a 50% casualty rate, was shot down, earned the distinguished flying cross and 3 other air medals.
AND I'm sure the President himself would NEVER try to influence the media in any way to stop a story being published.

As far as his Father war time service, that doesn't do much for me at all. His son George W didn't do anything AND no matter how much war time service a person has, if you made money off a relationship with Nazi Germany then nothing you do makes you redeemable in my opinion.
 
Old 03-11-2008, 08:36 AM
 
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AND I'm sure the President himself would NEVER try to influence the media in any way to stop a story being published.

As far as his Father war time service, that doesn't do much for me at all. His son George W didn't do anything AND no matter how much war time service a person has, if you made money off a relationship with Nazi Germany then nothing you do makes you redeemable in my opinion.
Well, heck, you might as well say the same about the Ford Motor Company, which made under the table deals with the Nazis to keep their assets from being completely nationalized.
 
Old 03-11-2008, 08:48 AM
 
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As far as his Father war time service, that doesn't do much for me at all. His son George W didn't do anything AND no matter how much war time service a person has, if you made money off a relationship with Nazi Germany then nothing you do makes you redeemable in my opinion
Oh wait just a minute now. Be very careful and get out your history books.

Hitler was in power from 1933 to 1945.

WWII did not begin until 9/1/1939, so that was 6 years where EVERYBODY was maintaining diplomatic relations and trading with Germany, as much trade as nations did considering the trade restrictions of the time and the Great Depression.

The UK, Canada, and France went to war with Germany as of 9/1/39, so they get the 6 years credited. The USSR went to war with Germany of 6/22/41 and the US went to war with Germany as of 12/8/41, so we both get an additional two years of credit. Even so, considering the Smoot-Hawley bill and other protectionist measures, trade between the US and Nazi Germany was not exactly significant.

Then there are countries like Sweden, Spain, Switzerland, and Portugal who never broke relations with Nazi Germany and traded with them throughout the war. Where is your condemnation for those nations?

Or how about nations like Vichy France, Finland, Croatia, Romania, Italy and Japan who were allied with Hitler?

You are somewhat correct about Joseph Kennedy. Add Charles Lindbergh and the ex King of England to those who thought Fascism the wave of the future. Did their interest make a difference? Hardly.
 
Old 03-11-2008, 08:48 AM
 
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Oh, I think you're being disingenuous. If you're bringing it up, then you're visiting the sins of the grandfathers on that of the grandsons.

I'm no fan of the Bushes, but turnabout is fair play. Let's turn our attention to another political clan: The Kennedys. Joseph Kennedy was an ardent fan of the Nazis and Hitler. As ambassador to the Court of St. James, he did his level best to sabotage cooperation between the United States and Britain and was removed from his post when he flatly declared that "Democracy is finished." What's more, Joe Kennedy viewed Hitler as the solution to the problem of world jewry. While he probably didn't countenance shoving Jews into gas ovens, he gave Hitler credibility.

Add his smuggling of booze during prohibition and his alliance with Joseph McCarthy, and you really have a scion of a political family who didn't just have questionable holdings, but actively supported and abetted some really awfully terrible people.
OH, I totally agree with you there, I don't care for the Kennedys either.
The only reason I think of this as it applies to George W is if this is indeed true, his current fame and position can be traced back to that. Knowing what went on in Nazi Germany and all the countries with the concentration camps, could you live off of money that came from an association with Hitler? I couldn't. I just couldn't.
 
Old 03-11-2008, 08:56 AM
 
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Let's see.......... I've heard that hurricane Katrina formed due to President Bush, I've heard that the oil prices are all due to President Bush, I've heard that rise in cancer rates are completely the Bush's fault... and now Nazi Germany is all the Bush's fault?

Have you ever considered mental therapy? Just when I think I've heard it all, something like this comes along. There is no end to the pure hatred spawned by some people. No end at all. In fact, I'd go so far to say that it's people like this that are the reason the country is screwed up right now.

So please, turn the light off when you leave.
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