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Actually the SEALs could have brought a bunch of modern stuff like cigarette lighters, binoculars, compasses, ball point pens etc, which would have been viewed as incredible treasures by the Romans and sold to them at huge prices. Then with their instant and immense wealth, the SEALs could do what the Romans typically did themselves, buy the loyalty of whatever legions were around and turn them against opposing legions.
They could. But then that would not be very fun, would it?
My guess is that 50-60 SEALS could take out a legion within 5 to 10 minutes. And that's just with high-powered rifles.
Why would they have to go looking for Roman soldiers? They could fight their way to Rome and blow a whole right through its walls with C-4.
We're to assume that they're transporting all of their own equipment.
In order to determine whether such a military success could occur, you first need to define the tactical objective. Is it to "take out the entire Roman army" (as the OP stated), or is it to penetrate the wall of the Forum? Which would not be a target of value, because Caesar is hiding in a spider hole somewhere in Gaul.
The Seals can't "take out the entire Roman army" without somehow engaging the entire Roman army. Including those defending the Roman realm in Wales, Morocco, Azerbaijan, and Arabia.
No, the key question is why would they WANT to go looking for Roman soldiers. In order to determine whether such a military success could occur, you first need to define the tactical objective. Is it just to "take out the entire Roman army" (as the OP stated), or is it to penetrate the wall of the Forum? Which would not be a target of value, because Caesar is hiding in a spider hole somewhere in Gaul.
So if the SEALS started pushing towards Rome, Caesar would not deploy as much of his army as he could to thwart an invasion?
So if the SEALS started pushing towards Rome, Caesar would not deploy as much of his army as he could to thwart an invasion?
It took weeks for Caesar to effect troop movements, or to even learn about attacks on the frontiers. He did not have the Internet.
The Seals advance would be slow. They would cross the border in Hummers, but when they ran out of gas, they would have to abandon their vehicles and move forward on foot, limited to whatever arms they could carry on their backs.
For a comparison, try to picture the Australian Aborigines staging a revolt, and Canberra decides to send 60 white Aussie special forces into the outback to quell the uprising all by themselves, with no logistical support. None would come back alive.
Obviously should be tanks and helicopters aside, as that really isn't so much what seals are about.
I think another question is geography, and situation.
Is this two groups clashing in the desert, jungle. Is one on defensive, is one charging. What is the setup time.
I would think the ROmans would come out charging with their number rather than sit back, especially if you mentioned 50k Roman soldiers. That is a lot of weaponry needed to unleash and to haul around for the Seals. I kind of doubt it.
Is this two groups clashing in the desert, jungle. Is one on defensive, is one charging.
Romans charging. SEALS on defense.
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I would think the ROmans would come out charging with their number rather than sit back, especially if you mentioned 50k Roman soldiers. That is a lot of weaponry needed to unleash and to haul around for the Seals. I kind of doubt it.
But wouldn't smoke screens and grenade launchers? They could even fire napalm and burn up whole legions within minutes.
I doubt if 60 men, during the course of their entire lifetime, could cover enough geography to engage every defending soldier over the entire empire. Unless they could all be enticed to stand together in a single field. Otherwise, all the Romans would need to do is hide when the Seals approached. Unless the Seals were intent upon inflicting heavy collateral damage, there would be no point in the Romans even getting into harms way, with nothing to defend the empire against. Just let the Seals drive around aimlessly in their Hummers and sit around in the cabarets and tuck American dollars into the bras of the artistes.
Is there an assumption that the Seals have the logistical support of the entire US military and all the allies we can bribe, or do they have to transport all their own equipment and forage for themselves as they search nooks and crannies for Roman soldiers?
My grand mother can beat your grand mother. Stupid thread.
Modern warfare is stand off weapons. So one man today with sufficient stand off weapons can destroy anything.
I doubt if 60 men could ever take a fairly large and populous country. They might be able to inflict considerable damage at the outset among regular troops and even storm the palace, but would be faced with guerrilla warfare virtually forever. The Russians couldn't take Afghanistan, the Americans couldn't take Vietnam, even with a half a million boots on the ground for more than a decade armed with weaponry fairly close to today's state of the art and with virtually unlimited logistic support..
Having said that, I'll bet 60 Navy Seals in white vans rented at Kuwait airport, pulling a couple of Uhaul trailers full of $100 bills, could have won the hearts and minds of Baghdad in 24 hours without firing a shot.
I doubt if 60 men could ever take a fairly large and populous country. They might be able to inflict considerable damage at the outset among regular troops and even storm the palace, but would be faced with guerrilla warfare virtually forever. The Russians couldn't take Afghanistan, the Americans couldn't take Vietnam, even with a half a million boots on the ground for more than a decade armed with weaponry fairly close to today's state of the art and with virtually unlimited logistic support.
They wouldn't have to invade and occupy the whole entire Roman Empire. They would just need to decimate its military. I'm wondering if 60 SEALS could tear through legion after legion after legion given enough conventional firepower.
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