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Old 07-17-2012, 04:10 PM
 
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1929-1946 - that generation paid a heavy price. Born in 1920, lived through the FDR Great Depression, then off to war, maybe come back. At least the FDR crowd was kicked out after WW II and the economy moved into consumer goods. It was a golden time from 1948-1968 for many American workers. Good jobs, low inflation, good homes, ...etc....if JFK had not got us so involved in the Vietnam War we would have had such a great time.
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Old 07-17-2012, 06:16 PM
 
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1929-1946 - that generation paid a heavy price. Born in 1920, lived through the FDR Great Depression, then off to war, maybe come back. At least the FDR crowd was kicked out after WW II and the economy moved into consumer goods. It was a golden time from 1948-1968 for many American workers. Good jobs, low inflation, good homes, ...etc....if JFK had not got us so involved in the Vietnam War we would have had such a great time.
Maybe I spoke too soon about the partisan political slant being absent here.
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Old 07-17-2012, 07:11 PM
 
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1929-1946 - that generation paid a heavy price. Born in 1920, lived through the FDR Great Depression, then off to war, maybe come back. At least the FDR crowd was kicked out after WW II and the economy moved into consumer goods. It was a golden time from 1948-1968 for many American workers. Good jobs, low inflation, good homes, ...etc....if JFK had not got us so involved in the Vietnam War we would have had such a great time.
Nice try but the Great Depression was caused by Herbert Hoover and FDR took office at the bottom of the depression. He improved the economy gradually during his first couple of terms, but then we went off to war and things changed suddenly. To blame the depression on FDR is totally rewriting history there. FDR was a transformational president whether you agree with his policies or not. His policies were far reaching and last many decades after he left office. Things like Social Security would not exist without him. I'm sure you think that's a great thing.
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Old 07-17-2012, 07:56 PM
 
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Bleeding Kansas Mr Brown also to appeared at a place called Harpers Ferry Virginia. Who can forget the canning of Sen Charles Sumner of Massachusettes on the Senate Floor. Some of the Poorest Presidents in US history Millard Fillmore, Franklin Pierce and James Buchannan. Then add the Election of 1860. After we got through the 1850s the nation blew apart. How can anyother period in American history top that!
I think that by any standard the Kansas Border Wars ranks one of the lowest points in the treatment of one group of Americans against another.
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Old 07-18-2012, 08:07 AM
 
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Nice try but the Great Depression was caused by Herbert Hoover and FDR took office at the bottom of the depression. He improved the economy gradually during his first couple of terms, but then we went off to war and things changed suddenly. To blame the depression on FDR is totally rewriting history there. FDR was a transformational president whether you agree with his policies or not. His policies were far reaching and last many decades after he left office. Things like Social Security would not exist without him. I'm sure you think that's a great thing.
The "cause" of the depression is something economists never agree about, but certainly inflated stock prices, failure of farming, which employed huge number of people and fed action or inaction. Hoover, caused the Great Depression - not likely. FDR and his failed economic experiments like the "Blue Eagle" program and his determined war against wealth, wealth creation and the business community caused the Great Depression. One good thing FDR did was get the banking system back on it's feet, but the majority of the rest of his "economic solutions" were total failures.

Being a "transformational president" is not a badge of honor if the "transformation" is a disaster. What is so great about starting the welfare state? Getting government involved in Americans retirement savings was a mistake, same with housing ...we had social problems but FDR did not create long term solutions but just expanded the size, scope and power of government. He was a very mean person towards those he considered a threat or just did not agree with him. His idea of stacking the Supreme Court was a serious threat to our nation. His "kitchen cabinet" was filled with Communists/Socialists, his off-hand dismal of Stalin as "Old Joe" despite knowing "Old Joe" was worse than Hitler calls to question FDR's inability to confront evil when he saw it. His idea of putting the fleet at Pearl Harbor even over the strong objections of Admiral Richardson caused a massive amount of loss of life at Pearl Harbor. His answer to Admiral Richardson was to force him to retire.

Truman tried to enact the "New Deal II" after WW II but even his own party had enough of failed "New Deal" programs and soundly rejected that idea.

Even the "Forgotten Man" slogan was not correct. The "Forgotten Man" essay was written by a famous Yale Economist warning of the idea that taking money from one person to give to another is not a good economic policy.

All in all, FDR got us through WW II, gave some good speeches, but did more long term economic harm to this country than good.
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Old 07-24-2012, 11:31 PM
 
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1861 to 1865

When Lincoln the Tyrant raised an army to invade sovereign states and walked all over the Constitution resulting in the deaths of over 300,000 Southern Warriors in Gray and the end of state's rights along with the rise of the federal government that used force as a means to keep sovereign states from leaving the union.
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Old 07-25-2012, 12:25 AM
 
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1861 to 1865

When Lincoln the Tyrant raised an army to invade sovereign states and walked all over the Constitution resulting in the deaths of over 300,000 Southern Warriors in Gray and the end of state's rights along with the rise of the federal government that used force as a means to keep sovereign states from leaving the union.
I think you have confused this forum with "Politics and other Controversies". This is the history forum and not to place for fiction or incomprehensible flights of political fantasy.
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Old 07-25-2012, 03:37 AM
 
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Probably the Civil War or the Gilded Age, I'd say.
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Old 07-25-2012, 02:19 PM
 
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I think what was the worst era may depend on one's viewpoint.
A while back I saw a 1970 promo for ABC News. It seemed like the world was speeding headlong into ultimate disaster. ..war in the Middle East, galloping inflation, terrorism, race riots in our cities and much more bad news.
Go back in time and snatch a European who had just gone through the depression, WW2 and the spreading of communism in Europe and they'll think the USA in 2012 is a slice of heaven.
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Old 07-25-2012, 04:05 PM
 
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Notwithstanding the OP's admonitons, I choose 1980 to the present: the birth of USA II.
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