Norfolk more dangerous than New York City (Newport News, Hampton: crime rates, neighborhoods)

[goofy328]

Originally Posted by CrltenSpke11

I didn't see the link, but I think the more dangerous cities would be Sr. Louis, Detroit, Cleveland, Chicago, Los Angeles, Phoenix, Albuquerque, Houston, New Orleans, Miami...

Depends on the source. Check out this link, top 100 dangerous cities in the country

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I don't see Norfolk, or any other city in Virginia on that list.

East St. Louis is considered to be the worst. For murder, you're looking at 27, not a lot but the city itself has a population of 27,000.

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That is not a per 100,000 rate. That is one per thousand. Because it's basically 100 per 100,000.

Detroit is much lower. 303 for a city of 680,000. Or 44 per 100,000.

Going back to Norfolk we're looking at 31 for Norfolk, or 13/100 per 1,000. Much, much better rate.

Beaumont, TX comes close, at 14/100 or 16 for a city of 117,000. That city was number 100 on the list.

[Lockdev]

Originally Posted by CrltenSpke11

I didn't see the link, but I think the more dangerous cities would be Sr. Louis, Detroit, Cleveland, Chicago, Los Angeles, Phoenix, Albuquerque, Houston, New Orleans, Miami...

I think the difference is, these cities are much larger, and have "bad sections". It is very easy to avoid the bad parts of each of these places.

Norfolk is unique because with the exception of the naval base, and some parts of Larchmont, you cannot go a quarter mile(easy walking distance) without being in a bad neighborhood.

I love Norfolk. It's vibrant, young, and has so much potential. There really is just something magical about the place.

It just has a lot of problems that nobody seems to want to fix or talk about, and these problems are holding Norfolk back from becoming one of the best cities on the east coast.

[Pyroninja42]

"that nobody wants to fix or talk about"

Clearly someone doesn't read AltDaily.

[Lockdev]

Originally Posted by Pyroninja42

"that nobody wants to fix or talk about"

Clearly someone doesn't read AltDaily.

Not to seem rude, but how is pushing a liberal agenda and stupid crap like "race diversification" going to help Norfolk?

If you really want change, feel-good politics have no place in Norfolk.

We need some heavy-hitting truth and real change.

[Pyroninja42]

I'm a conservative and I only read AltDaily for local beer and music news. That doesn't mean I haven't seen articles there about Norfolk's crime problem.

[NOVA_guy]

It's a bit disturbing that Norfolk's crime is such a problem considering the population is that of a smaller city. It's not like we're taking a city with 450,000 or 550,000 people. When you have more people in one area, it's expected that crime will somewhat tick up but Norfolk's population isn't that large, it shouldn't really have the crime rate that it does.

[vboryork]

Originally Posted by Lockdev

I think the difference is, these cities are much larger, and have "bad sections". It is very easy to avoid the bad parts of each of these places.

Norfolk is unique because with the exception of the naval base, and some parts of Larchmont, you cannot go a quarter mile(easy walking distance) without being in a bad neighborhood.

I love Norfolk. It's vibrant, young, and has so much potential. There really is just something magical about the place.

It just has a lot of problems that nobody seems to want to fix or talk about, and these problems are holding Norfolk back from becoming one of the best cities on the east coast.

When I was searching the forum archives while researching my move, I stumbled on thread that included a norfolk safety map created by a poster on here. I thought it was really useful.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/hampton-roads-area/1138221-norfolk-safety-map.html

It sort of jives with what you said about sketchy areas near nice ones, although the "quarter mile" comment might be a bit of an exaggeration. I really haven't been able to explore Norfolk much yet but it does seem like there are a couple shootings down there at least every week on the news.

What do you propose to fix these issues? I don't get the impression that nobody is talking about them. The new mayor just came out and said bluntly "I think that we have had too many homicides," and "One is too many. I think we need to have an increased police presence." Do you agree with that?

Kenny Alexander outlines plans for city as Norfolk Mayor | WTKR.com

I guess, coming from St Louis, it just doesn't look that bad to me. Sad as it is to say, it is almost what I expect from an urban city with a large historically poor population. It is the same all over the country. That certainly doesn't mean the community shouldn't always be trying to improve though...

[Lockdev]

Originally Posted by vboryork

When I was searching the forum archives while researching my move, I stumbled on thread that included a norfolk safety map created by a poster on here. I thought it was really useful.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/hampt...afety-map.html

It sort of jives with what you said about sketchy areas near nice ones, although the "quarter mile" comment might be a bit of an exaggeration. I really haven't been able to explore Norfolk much yet but it does seem like there are a couple shootings down there at least every week on the news.

What do you propose to fix these issues? I don't get the impression that nobody is talking about them. The new mayor just came out and said bluntly "I think that we have had too many homicides," and "One is too many. I think we need to have an increased police presence." Do you agree with that?

Kenny Alexander outlines plans for city as Norfolk Mayor | WTKR.com

I guess, coming from St Louis, it just doesn't look that bad to me. Sad as it is to say, it is almost what I expect from an urban city with a large historically poor population. It is the same all over the country. That certainly doesn't mean the community shouldn't always be trying to improve though...

The quarter mile comment actually holds up for about 90% of the city. Norfolk is quite small in land size, and the bad neighborhoods are littered throughout. Look at this crime map picture, the deeper the blue, the safer, the whiter parts are very dangerous. The top left is the naval base and Larchmont.



And people love to talk about the problem, but they don't want to talk about the root of the problem. Norfolk has a very liberal(backwards) outlook on how to fix problems. There is always talk about needing to build a better community through things like diversification, empowering minorities, and attracting employers so there are better jobs. These are not going to fix the crime problem.

Bad people are always going to be bad. Period. There's no amount of jail, employment, etc that is going to fix that. Some people don't want to play by the rules, ever. Our jails are full of them. Unfortunately Norfolk is full of them too.

Norfolk is a typical liberal city that mismanages funds. They throw all of their money at worthless government programs and neglect what is really important for local governments: education, fire, and police.

The education sucks in Norfolk, and the police and fire departments are some of the lowest paid in the Nation.

That needs to change.

You change that, you change Norfolk.

But, that won't change, and Norfolk will continue to flush millions down the drain on bloated government administration, hire inept people in the name of diversification, and waste god knows how much money on other useless things like minority-empowerment schemes.

[seanlax]

Originally Posted by NOVA_guy

It's a bit disturbing that Norfolk's crime is such a problem considering the population is that of a smaller city. It's not like we're taking a city with 450,000 or 550,000 people. When you have more people in one area, it's expected that crime will somewhat tick up but Norfolk's population isn't that large, it shouldn't really have the crime rate that it does.

You know it's called a crime RATE right? As in, crimes per 1,000 people, not overall crimes.

[NOVA_guy]

Originally Posted by seanlax

You know it's called a crime RATE right? As in, crimes per 1,000 people, not overall crimes.

I guess you missed the part where I said crime RATE