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Old 11-06-2014, 08:07 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Spartanburg County voted in favor of a referendum to allow the sale of beer and wine on premises on Sundays. Restaurants, bars and hotels in Spartanburg County may now serve beer and wine on Sundays.

Duncan passed a referendum on the municipal level.

A referendum in Wellford that would allow both on premise and off premise sale of beer and wine on Sundays failed.

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Old 11-06-2014, 11:39 AM
 
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As much as I hate to admit it, prior to voting I wasn't aware the local referendum was on the ballot. To be honest, I didn't realize I was voting for Sunday alcohol sales in restaurants. Here's the wording on the ballot:

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Shall the South Carolina Department of Revenue be authorized to issue
temporary permits in this county for a period not to exceed twenty-four hours to
allow the possession, sale, and consumption of alcoholic liquors by the drink to
bona fide nonprofit organizations and business establishments otherwise
authorized to be licensed for consumption-on-premises sales?
Reading that, I was picturing something like allowing a downtown bar to set up an outside tent for a special event like Red, White and Boom, or the Lion's Club getting a special permit to sell beer at a fundraising event. I also would have voted yes had I interpreted the question as allowing Sunday sales, so I'm not upset about it.
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Old 11-06-2014, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Piedmont, SC
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As much as I hate to admit it, prior to voting I wasn't aware the local referendum was on the ballot. To be honest, I didn't realize I was voting for Sunday alcohol sales in restaurants. Here's the wording on the ballot:

Reading that, I was picturing something like allowing a downtown bar to set up an outside tent for a special event like Red, White and Boom, or the Lion's Club getting a special permit to sell beer at a fundraising event. I also would have voted yes had I interpreted the question as allowing Sunday sales, so I'm not upset about it.

The same thing happened to me back when we voted on it in Simpsonville. I didn't understand what the referendum was saying, so I voted no.
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Old 11-09-2014, 07:52 PM
 
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The same thing happened to me back when we voted on it in Simpsonville. I didn't understand what the referendum was saying, so I voted no.

This is the prime example of how one should skip any part of a ballot that they do not understand, or ask for clarification.
Voting for or against something blindly is far worse than not voting at all on that issue.
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Old 11-09-2014, 08:19 PM
 
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This is the prime example of how one should skip any part of a ballot that they do not understand, or ask for clarification.
Voting for or against something blindly is far worse than not voting at all on that issue.
I disagree completely. Not voting on something is pretty much the same as voting against a ballot measure.

This is a good example of why you need to research the issues and candidates prior to going to the polling place so you know who and what you are voting for when you cast your ballot. Sometimes there are a few candidates like for soil and water conservation where it is hard to do research online but those are the exception.
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Old 11-10-2014, 07:12 AM
 
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This is the prime example of how one should skip any part of a ballot that they do not understand, or ask for clarification.
Voting for or against something blindly is far worse than not voting at all on that issue.
I think it's a prime example of ridiculous legalese language on a ballot. It's not a difficult concept to ask whether bars/restaurants should be able to serve alcohol on Sundays. From whom would someone ask for clarification? Poll workers certainly have no business potentially influencing votes, and you either open the possibility of people in different precincts getting different answers, or you'd have to make standard answers for them to give which would beg the question of why didn't you just put that information on the ballot to begin with.
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Old 11-10-2014, 01:23 PM
 
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I think it's a prime example of ridiculous legalese language on a ballot. It's not a difficult concept to ask whether bars/restaurants should be able to serve alcohol on Sundays. From whom would someone ask for clarification? Poll workers certainly have no business potentially influencing votes, and you either open the possibility of people in different precincts getting different answers, or you'd have to make standard answers for them to give which would beg the question of why didn't you just put that information on the ballot to begin with.

My comment is directed at a world where this issue of language will most likely not be corrected. And it is horrible and unnecessary.

I stand by the idea that voting blindly is very stupid. If one can vote with no knowledge of the issue at hand they are doing themselves and society a disservice. Voting by coin toss really says something unfortunate about such a voter. And I would hope they stay home because if something finds its way to a ballot it is most likely too important for people to toss a coin.
I am not so idealistic as to believe that the majority of voters do much self-education before voting.

PS: It reads as if Shamrocker voted against something that they favored because they chose to vote blindly. That should be a perfect example of why it is not a good idea. And that poster blindly helped to defeat the law doing a disservice to all of those who voted with purpose.
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Old 11-10-2014, 01:32 PM
 
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i disagree completely. Not voting on something is pretty much the same as voting against a ballot measure.

fifty% of the time, if you are lucky.

(those are bad odds for me)
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Old 11-10-2014, 01:40 PM
 
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My comment is directed at a world where this issue of language will most likely not be corrected. And it is horrible and unnecessary.

I stand by the idea that voting blindly is very stupid. If one can vote with no knowledge of the issue at hand they are doing themselves and society a disservice. Voting by coin toss really says something unfortunate about such a voter. And I would hope they stay home because if something finds its way to a ballot it is most likely too important for people to toss a coin.
I am not so idealistic as to believe that the majority of voters do much self-education before voting.

PS: It reads as if Shamrocker voted against something that they favored because they chose to vote blindly. That should be a perfect example of why it is not a good idea. And that poster blindly helped to defeat the law doing a disservice to all of those who voted with purpose.
Alcohol sales on Sunday passed back in 2010 in Simpsonville. Most drinkers were educated on that one. :-)
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Old 11-11-2014, 07:27 PM
 
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I am not so idealistic as to believe that the majority of voters do much self-education before voting.
This is sadly true. Most people are just too lazy to spend the time to research the candidates and the issues. Voting is one of the most important things you do in a democracy but people are apathetic. Most people have no idea who the candidates were for any offices beyond the top offices on the ballot. They blindly vote for lieutenant governor, treasurer, etc. based solely on the letter next to the name - (r) or (d).
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